In this episode I sit down with Ron Manalili and we talk about his journey as a musician. It’s very common for our parents to encourage us to go down the more traditional pathway of getting a university degree and landing a corporate job. This is more so the case especially if you have a creative pursuit, and an even more unorthodox method of getting there. Ron talks about leaving this traditional career path and owning your responsibilities; that no one will make their dreams come true besides the dreamer themselves.
He also reiterates the importance of patience and in “trusting the process”, that you have to keep going even if you aren’t getting any praise or recognition for the work that you do. Because at the end of the day, if you aren’t doing something for the love it, then why are you even doing it at all?
In this episode I sit down with Ron Manalili and we talk about his journey as a musician. It’s very common for our parents to encourage us to go down the more traditional pathway of getting a university degree and landing a corporate job. This is more so the case especially if you have a creative pursuit, and an even more unorthodox method of getting there. Ron talks about leaving this traditional career path and owning your responsibilities; that no one will make their dreams come true besides the dreamer themselves.
He also reiterates the importance of patience and in “trusting the process”, that you have to keep going even if you aren’t getting any praise or recognition for the work that you do. Because at the end of the day, if you aren’t doing something for the love it, then why are you even doing it at all?
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in this episode, I sit down with Ron Munna Lily, and we talk about his journey as a musician. It's very common for parents to encourage us to go down the more traditional pathway off, getting a university degree and landing a corporate job. This is more so the case, especially if you have a creative pursuits and an even Maur unorthodox method of getting there. Ron talks about leaving this traditional career path and owning your responsibilities that no one will make their dreams come true. Besides the dream of themselves, he also reiterates the importance of patients and trusting the process that you have to keep going even if you aren't getting any praise or recognition for the work that you do. Because at the end of the day, if you want doing something for the love of it, why the hell are you even doing it? It'll this was the first time for me to leave the Sari Sari store. It's a recording episode, and like the rest of the others, this one was also very fun to record. Please let me know if you have any feedback on how it can improve the podcast to make a more valuable to you or simply, even if you have any ideas for future episodes, you can hit me up on Instagram at his run. That's a cheese. It are you. I'd appreciate it, son. Thanks a lot. Piece. You're a farmer to Makoto car talk. My name is his Ron Alban. And welcome to To passion Project to Passion Project is a podcast aimed at those people who are wanting to take that first step towards making it heaven. Thank you so much for tuning in. And I hope you enjoy the show. It's like all the interest stuff in order. Just Chuck in later on
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yet. See, yet they told her. Yeah. There we go. Yeah. Old label leveled and really the go,
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Ron, bro, thanks so much for joining us on a passion project.
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You and I Thank you for having me fam
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my guy. So for the listeners were actually in Ron's script in his little studio recording this episode. So I've gone. I've gone off site. I've gone out of the Sari Sari store and actually jumped into an actual little studio. He, uh yeah s. So when I started this pod cost to you. I was I was initially opening. I initially uploaded onto soundcloud inside toe like resurrect my log in details and reset plaster mold. That And when I logged on like I was following two profiles about you, no one was was just a random profile. Yeah, And the other one was yours. Bo. She? Yeah, they won. Tell us a little bit of why that profile existent and what you're about.
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Oh, you Ah, yes. Ah, uh, could start off as the aspiring soundcloud rep for you now, but I'm just currently working like a casual humble, you know, 95 while, you know, pursuing little side music project here. And you're just seeing where it takes me. Really? A If I am, just put my mind to it, I guess you know, just a consistent,
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secure little your impassioned project. Yeah. Yes.
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No, it's a different LeBeau. Yeah, differently.
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So this little bit of ah, about how you got started into music in the first place? Like, where did that sort of come from? Cause for me Bye. The whole, like aviation thing that stemmed from a VHS tape that I had as a little as a little kid. There was a documentary online warplanes and stuff. So personally, I can indeed pinpointed to that event. Do you have anything like that? Is over.
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Ever liked Webber? Yeah, because, I mean, I kind of, like, grew up with
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typical of Filipino boy playing guitar. And, yeah,
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workers like that jam that jammed a bit of the get. And if he just played lots of iron being stuff like rule like Look, uh, what is a low key, but, like, actually the key be guys like, you know, Brian McKnight and like him, I don't know if you listen. Toe James Ingram.
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I've heard of them, but not familiar with the music you
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ever like. It was just always fun to like thing, I guess. You know, it just always started from this jamming. Yeah. Yeah, as cheesy as it sounds, but just clipped because obviously we really went to uni together
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yet, and that was a shit off, off, off, off,
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off, off. Parent's expectations and stuff. And before I decided to go full time of the whole music thing, I worked at it at the bank for, like, nanny three years. And even with the prospect of money. It didn't convince me to stay because, you know, always mentally fatigued. No time. What's all that money If you don't have the time to spend it, you know, it just doesn't make sense. Like sure you can. You can keep getting pay rises. But again, you know, it's just mostly gonna be spent on food on lunch because
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that money's going where the money is going to be spent on buddy making sure that you're well off enough to make more of that money. Because when when at work know anything, I'm spending it on this food as you said And guess to get Tau exactly know what I mean? Like that. Nothing else is going and a baby any of my other like, uh, endeavors or anything like that. Like you
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could get, like, the latest, the latest car and should. But you're still just driving it toe
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working. Yeah, yeah, you know, And for me by my drive to work is it's a five kilometre drive, man. How many miles is that? 2.5 3 ladies bar living in Coombe Uber you are on the wops, Marber like,
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so I did a little like experiment when I got my car for the like, you know, like the kind that I've got Now, for the first time since recently moving here like, I wonder how far a return trip to town would be and ended up being up with, like, 50 kilometers
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around from here. Turn around and back to town on cheese. So you need to have, like, a pretty good incentive to get your ass in town. You gotto, if you're in town, you gotta be there or something. That's so
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Yeah, cause like a full tank of gas, I can usually get about like if I really, really pushed the 500 case. Yeah, you know, Yeah. And that's already 50. Just the town and
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back. That's a huge check bar. It's quite funny that you that you bring this up because this just like this came into my mind. I've heard it somewhere before, and I just wanted to, like, talk about a buzz how the size of your world sort of increases as the way that you're ableto transport yourself changes. So what I mean by that is when you're born, your whole world is just your mother's arms. You go where she goes. When you learn how to crawl, your world gets that much bigger. When you learn to walk, your world gets that much bigger in terms of a walking distance and then driving your world gets even bigger, even bigger still, when you get your full of license, Um uh,
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even on the learners because
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you wanted those ones able, even you need Bo. I'm just walk us through a little bit of your journey to that. What did you do? Why we doing that instead of music? And I guess what I want to know is, you know, to the budding musician as well. But who finds themselves in a situation where they got to take a step like that first before they can actually do anything more in terms of producing the music. Or like, how did you stay? Motivated to sit through three years of that before knowing that that was what you needed to do before you could sit us in front of a mic and keys and generally
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Okay, so first question or so what? That I do. So I did a bachelor of commerce major than information systems and marketing at University of Oakland, obviously, you know, way both went there. I completed that a year longer than most. Because, you know, firsthand Mr was pretty rough. Yeah, I didn't even know, like, a negative g p was possible. Uh, yeah, but, you know, one of one of few, Uh, I hope so. Yeah. The debt for four years. And then So what? What was that? What got me?
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So how did you stay? Motivated throughout that four years knowing that this is what you had to do first. Before being ableto push, you push, you pursue the, uh, the dreams off, making it big.
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Well, boy, like you were born here a year. I came here and when I was around nine within my family anyway, is that what you recall? Like first generation, like immigrants like Yeah, like of our like family. Right. So and, you know, coming from like 1/3 world country, like obviously for someone or for even a family toe like escape out of 1/3 world country, you need to be somewhat, you know, well off already. Not a lot of people get out of the like home country to go toe like a Western first world country for a better life type thing. You know, it's like it's a privilege and it requires a lot of sacrifice and saying that our parents had to sacrifice, you know, and swallow a lot of their pride to migrate to a first world country to pretty much start from scratch. You know, my mom was a flight attendant in her prime, and, you know, when she came here, she had to start off if I remember correctly, Like working at subway on, like, my dad ran a pretty big engineering firm and and the Philippines. And when he came here despite the qualifications, I'll just, you know, put this in there. You know, all that would accept them for the time being. Waas What was that like? Like a painting like a painting gig painting franchise, I think with them Green Acres. Yeah, so you know, like and the reason for pretty much like moving to a country like New Zealand is not for them is like it's for us, you know? And pretty much what they were trying to say is that, like, I don't care like I don't care what you like. Want to do. But, you know, I want one of the just like, unspoken deals of like, the move here is that you get yourself a first world degree so you don't have to go through what we went through, you know, just to save your ass. Yeah, that was pretty much one of the biggest motivations is because I'll just get through it because, you know, that's what they came here for. This fool them to have a peace of mind that we've got a sick, some sort of security. If we have, ah, need to fall back on anything, if nothing goes that way,
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he ever does like me, man, because I was in a similar situation is, well, obviously having to get the degree first before being ableto take the ball into my own court and, you know, just shoot were I want to shoot So, um, ever stuffy when like when you got to spend so much time away from what you ask you want to do. But I think what's also important is that we can't really We can't get to the end of it and think them like I wasted my time because that's how I've gotten through a pose that I don't look back at it thinking I wasted three years, three or four years, you know, doing this cause there is an element off off security that, you know, just in case the shit went to work out. True, I can do something
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to fair enough, but not. But while that is the case for anyone to actually achieve what they really actually want to achieve, you can't be thinking like you actually have a plan B. Because that leads to complacency. I found, You know, one of the reasons why I quit the banking is to hold myself accountable for every day. So for every day that I don't do anything, then that means, you know, it's on me. I no longer have worked to blame because one day, but I just sat down. Was I okay? What's the common denominator? Why am I not being as productive as I as I should be? What do I keep blaming it on? And the common denominator was work. Yeah, like I just had to muster up the bulls to get the hell out of the you know,
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because then because once evenly Yeah, take that leap, because once you put on yourself, you got no one else to blame. Exactly. And it's really easy to play the blame game. Like all Yeah, I'm not happy because, you know, off off this person or I'm not happy because I'm being told to do something that don't want to do. Once you take the initiative to go out there and actually do it. And if you're still not happy, then at least it's your own doing that you can't put it on in a while.
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And that's the beauty of it, I guess. You know, it's a blessing and a curse, like now that you're actually aware that the reality that is that it's just you. That's the problem here. Then that means, you know, that's bad speech, Max, because I obviously you feel gutted. But on the bright side, at least you know it's just a matter of like switching. You're switching your thinking and switching the attitude, you know, like it's just about switching on like it's a It's a gradual, you know, like after quitting the bank, the weekly structure has just been diminished. I needed to create my sort of earned routine and that was a shock to the system. You know, like, they're just be days where I just be like, you know, Yeah, I would sleep in, you know, wake up. It'll be like, damn, you know, I've got a ll the time. And then, you know, I'd sit, sit here and you know, the old the old studio and try and make something And you get the old writer's block and you here and there and and then you're like them. Now I've got, like, heaps of time lifts, though not the way they were their heart. And it's also, you know, I had to scramble and really that put that put in my, um you know, my life into perspective. Is that okay? So I had to remind myself Now this is good, because that's why I quit banking in the first place. My dilemma was, what's the priority is it's still money. Or is it time? Because for me to achieve what I want to achieve in terms of this music venture, I need time on my side. But if I want to keep plateau going, then I could just keep going. They're out. I'm going. I'm just you know, eventually, I'm gonna get the pay increase. As you do that it'll be done. But then again, it's the same old story. I'm just stuck in the system. Add to make the cool. And, you know, we can't have our cake and eat it too. So it's either you get the the the pleasure of time and get a massive cut in the bag, you know, or you keep earning the way. Earning comfortable, comfortable in a comfortable living. But in terms of self fulfillment, you're going knowing, like, you know, hey,
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ever cause from there my background is also in marketing in the commerce degree. So starting up this podcast But it was a pretty big learning curve from because I'm not a musician and I don't know nothing about no them audio recording Engineering wears funny years, cause I only learned what gain and monitoring was about a week before uploading my first episode Bow. So what I did was I jumped onto YouTube and, you know, search this. How do I record a podcast? What I used for X, Y and Z. And a week later, you know, um, go to them. Ah, podcast. set up in terms off learning your craft for learning how to play music. How was that man? Did you have any lessons or yourself? Sort of taught. How did you How did you use that? Learning to play all to sing. And you knew that,
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uh, we had, you know, like a couple of vocal, like listens at high school. But in terms of, like, learning to, like sing, I think it's just like an eight. You know,
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not a me. And I think
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everyone can sing. I guess it's just a matter of whether it's good or not, Right? Right. But, you know, like everyone can sing cause, like, music is innate, You know, it's
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the universal language, isn't it?
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Yeah, like we don't need to speak yet. We don't need to speak the same language, but, you know, everyone can, like, you know, boogie in bond over over music tastes, I think would singing. Yeah, I just came from because, you know, we may not be, you know, too much of a musical like family, But we did you know, we had our fair share of, like singing, singing in the current shit. You carry your keys in my pants course, my appearance like love, the old carrier
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Filipinos footing a party not complete with Cory. Okay, A machine.
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And like obviously like since, you know, I'm the, um the aspiring musician. They were like,
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ah gets his turn of the You know, it's just like I think it's just, uh that they ever make you look like birthdays and stuff of that far off course you got the nudge in in the hole. You should oh, before mature at this bar. It's like you can sing for anyone, but they're nothing of
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ah, you know, it's like it's uncalled for was fucking cringe, man, but you know, it comes with it. Come here. You know that this is it's just for the laws. Here. It's for the little ones. You know, the banter
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with a lot of music, but I like you come across the new artists say, your browsing on Spotify. And then and then you think I had this'll Person sounds like, you know, this type of artist. Obviously they would have drawn their influences from some from somewhere else. But who are your sort of musical influences and stuff like that man, there's a lot. Me, I know that's Ah pretty loaded question here. But
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now that aspirations are, I guess, in terms of all time favorite at us like differently. You know, like, Oh, Michael Jackson A. In terms off contemporary influences are there's just a lot bird like there's also like producers. Um, that, like, I'm kind of, like, followed into So, like, you know, the likes of Timberland year. I'm just starting to, like, really get into getting really in dips of how they come to create the sound. You know, pioneers of music. Like, you know, Forell, like the's guys, you know, African magician. Do they like they really set the tone. Even Kanye Man, like despite, despite his, you know, like outlandish antics. Uh huh. But he he's a genius, like in in in one shape or form, you know? Yeah, I'm just trying to, like, drawer some inspiration from a lot of, I guess, more outlandish, dude, because you've got to be inspired every day like I feel
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speaking on the kind of person that like Kanye, because we all know, like he is just so out there with everything that he does. Men I don't know what? The psychology is behind it. But, you know, there are reports that he's sort of not in a very good mental space at the moment. Is there some sort of correlation between, um, because there's no way like a normal mind will be able to produce the stuff that he makes man clover?
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Like he said it himself? The base. Have you seen the, um, the Netflix Docker that my my guest needs no introduction by David Letterman?
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No, I haven't seen it.
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I s o he interviews like a lot of like, you know, high profile people like Barack Obama and what? Not in Kanye hopes on it. Yeah, David Letterman asks him about his current mental health state. How hearing through the whole bipolar phase after he had the his episodes and stuff. And he was saying, Yeah, like, you know, I do. Pursue is like I was over. I guess my my body was just overwhelmed. There was just time for it to reset. And he was like, Oh, okay, now I've been diagnosed with a condition that requires me to take medication that suppresses. That's gonna be suppressing my creative, my creative Percy's, because yet he was on it for a bit, and but he felt the effects. You know, that's why he had he had he had his, um, emotional outbursts and stuff because, you know, he'd always he'd always just be down and quiet because of the meds, you know? And then he said when he got off it, he started creating more. And that's how he he went to Wyoming and, like, released all those dykes seven track albums for, like, these different artists, you know, because he said he had it. He had a good point because he was, like, People are asking me in demanding the, you know, bring Bring the old Kanye back. Bring the graduation, Kanye back like, eight awaits and heartbreaks. You guys are wanting all these crazy melodies and crazy tunes, but you don't expect it to come from a crazy man. So he was like, how do you expect me to give you all these stuff if I'm under medication? You know, it was like, how does that make sense? He was like, This is why I was able to give you this because I didn't have that stigma. Didn't have that fear on me. I didn't know I had this thing, you know. He's like, needy 40 and he was just He's just being diagnosed. So he's bean living a bipolar life, probably all this whole time. And he's bean going just off faith. You know that. He's like, Fuck, I'm dumber. And like, if I sit in my mind toe, I believe in my craft so much that this is gonna pop and it's just a matter of time because everything comes in seasons. But it does. And I believe that
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your cycle is
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hot with hard work, and I'm consistency. There's actually no way you won't be able to achieve it. It's all about perception, right? You can have the sea. It is failure or a listen. You can see it as our yet that's that. You know, you took the El like and just be sad about it, or you can have the reflect on it and learn what? What could you actually better from that? You know, how could how could you be more better from that little mishap? And you just you just keep going forward
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to that perspective. Peace both for me. Like I'll admit like I'm a very passive consumer of music and film and of something like a pod cost. I don't know too much about the whole like production side of things when I think a lot of people they don't appreciate the amount of work that goes behind producing something like eight awaits and heartbreak sport for me like, you know, making this podcast, that I've got a, you know, just the taste off, what it's like toe it it in and all that sort of stuff in its basic vocals. Bo, What's your favorite part of the process in your craft boat? You know, from beginnings in What? What would you say? Your favorite part of it is
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listening. It's the hole digging through the like, digging through the crates. As you say. It's the whole getting inspired by different sounds and how how they combined a collection of sounds to create, you know, a certain feeling in a certain pattern, a social beat. Yeah, it sounds nerdy, but because that's that's what it is. If I can't create a feeling whether good or bad, I need, I just need to create a feeling if I can't do that, that's when I should Yes, they could stick the day job, you know, because that's what it's all about. That's why you know, for people who do you know, have a wide range of music, like you have certain genres for certain types of, you know, emotions, certain types of moods. Look at the playlists, you know, it's all about emotion based, you know, hype. Check out like, you know, like you know, it's It's all depending on mood and emotion. That's why you know how a lot of famous, um, artists would say that you know this wild lyrics don't matter. It's the melody. That's the melody in the production of matters biggest. That's what's long lasting. We can go in like, you know, as us. Humans, you know, pretty much commonly go into two states, right, sober and not sober. And when we're not sober, what the we inclined to more when we listen to a song melody right. Once you're hooked onto the melody, it's it's auto pilot from the you know your lips.
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It's quite interesting that you bring it up because more often and not when someone asks me, I'll have you hear of that song and I say Oh, no. How does it go? They don't give me the lyrics. They give me the It goes like this for that. Yeah,
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and could see, like with that too. It creates nostalgia. And that's how you create timeless music because it gives you not only that, like kickers a returning that Oh yeah, that's a nice melody. I like that song. It also creates that nostalgia because you start attaching these melodies and with memories. That's why, like for me, I find often when I travel when I'm when I'm overseas. And I listened to particular songs on Ah, pretty repetitive cycle, like while overseas and I come back here and I listen to the same pretty much set of thongs. It's nostalgic and just like God damn like like, yeah, I wish I was back there, you know, like, yeah, it's it's all, like, connected, like like that.
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It's quite is quite buzzy Bow because my playlist on Spotify I haven't curated it into different like segments like, you know, some people got like the sad boy was some people got the workout album My play. This is just a whole bunch of stuff. If from when I opened my Spotify account today. Yeah, it's about 1000 songs, but they're arranged according to the eight. Yeah, exact. And so, like, I gotta click the case. Okay, So what you said about the nostalgia belie whenever I play a different portion off music within the playlist Because it's arranged according to date yet I can sort of see what your waas what part of the year it was. And like you said, listening to that song again, you know, we'll bring back the memories from that particular point in your life. Yeah.
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Yeah, Because, like, look, speaking of which, So, like, I'm on my Spotify Nancy, I've got, like, storm ze, you know, stormed
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back in the day. But it was London, dude. Yeah,
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I'm the grand grand rep.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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yeah. So I've got a song of his in the song after that is fast car by Tracy Chapman. See, like,
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you know, what were you going through at that point in your life to be listening to those songs back to back, See?
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Exactly. Exactly. You know, And then after that, it's post Malone. Yeah, And then after that, it's summer Walker. See? And then sir and then a Sep Ferg and then push a T and an A sexy like it's Yeah, it's like a mixture, but I'm they were here. So I mean, in terms of, um, yeah, like people just attached to attach to melody move I I feel I feel like that's more of like, an important, like part of music. It's just because for for something to be effective like foot for a musical piece to be effective and successful, it needs to invoke a feeling
spk_0: 29:14
100% 100%. It's quite, um, chippy bar because we were born at a time where personal music listening portability was just beginning Things like the Walkman and like CD players and stuff like that, Yeah, so, like, back in the day say, for example, our parents, when they wanted to hear their life favorite song from the favorite band actually would have had to go to the concert, or or to the clubs where you know that band is performing. Yeah, or at the very least, you know, just chuck on the radio and hope that that song, like, played her before Sparta's like at our fingertips. Now you want to listen to a song. It's on demand within a second, but you can have it playing. It's just amazing how sort of technology advances enough for us to be ableto, you know, have it right then and there.
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Oh, of course, were. And that's why, with that accessibility, it's a no brainer. Like why, you know, for anyone wanting to pursue, like, musical like anything but even even pursuing just the urn medium of like just because, yeah, we've got the Internet book. That's the biggest portability we can ever like have, like we've got the knowledge of, like everyone on the palm of our hand, like through through the Internet and like Google. No, it's possible, like because if people that look like me and you can do it bore, obviously like way, we can do it like it's literally just a matter. It's a mindset. It really is again. It's easiest. Hadn't done in hindsight. I wish I would have started. I had the balls to do this earlier, but then again, you know, I wouldn't have had I guess, the wisdom and maturity that I would have now. And I think it wouldn't be as effective if I did jump the gun earlier, then it's just playing its natural course and just happening. And just and just for it to be able to happen now,
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I think what matters was that you've actually like you started and you are doing it
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different labor. Yeah, that's why I brought like, I remember probably one of the more happier feelings that I can remember it, like recent memories not having to set my alarm clock for the first time on like a Sunday, you know, like go to my 9 to 5, like, actually had the freedom to just do musical day fire like wanted to, you know, and that's it. But I feel like in terms of currency, time is yeah, I find and I realized the value of time on how much of a greater currency it is. The money you don't need much to like, get by and have some. But, I mean, I guess there's, you know, it comes down to priority to let you know some people have other priorities, and it's also circumstantial because if I, like, didn't come to New Zealand and had the luxury of being raised, well, I guess raised in a Western environment and Western viewpoints and what not while having my own, like informed opinions and ideologies and what not? I don't think I'd be doing what I'm doing now If I lived back in the Philippines, you know, if I stayed in the Philippines, I feel like my life would have been, like dictated. And I would've been okay with that because that's all I knew by coming here. By having the luxury to think for myself, I was able to come to the conclusion naturally, organically, that this is what I want to do. You know, this is what, like in her what? Yeah, what makes it interesting, like every day in a something to look forward to. And I think that's it. Book, because it's Yeah, it's still about, um, happiness, your own value of happiness. And it doesn't necessarily always translate into more money. You know that more money Sorry em gives you that
spk_0: 33:30
with your music, but not much of it is yet available to the public bow. So it's easy to gauge like, you know, success in your pursuit, having you know, a 1,000,000 views or whatever on YouTube. Oh, because it's not yet available for, you know, drove blog's on the streets to go listen to how how do you keep going, boy? Because how do you keep creating How do you just keep going both.
spk_1: 33:55
Oh, because with pursuits like these bird, I found that it's all about patience. But patients not in terms of, you know, you just you just sit back and just let the fucking days burned by patients in terms of like, no matter how how hard you work today, tomorrow you're still so far, you know? So it it's just a long person. Yeah, so yeah, sure. Bolt, Like, right now, I've only got two songs out in public. But prior to that bar I had I actually had heaps of, like, YouTube videos out like of covers of, like, songs that about, like, five songs, probably in total. You know, I featured with other people. I was once on a hard core band like and you know, we had Yeah, we had, like, songs out, but obviously, you know, it's like you go through phases, obviously. Now, with me trying to pursue it more seriously with the was with the knowledge that I've got now learning from those experiences, I wiped everything out and skimmed it down to two songs that I think if I had to show them anything right now this is what you know I sounded like, But I feel like when I do release my first you know, my first track. I wanted to be something that you know I'm proud of and that's, you know, now more well and truly reflective off my sound. I don't have to keep making excuses for myself anymore. When I dropped something, you know, when I dropped something that's like, I'm happy with it And what ever outcome comes from it? Man, I'm happy the way because that means it's either effective or I need to re strategize. That's it. Like, you know, it's just girth as long as it's ghosts and its forward. But I'm all for it.
spk_0: 35:55
Straight up. I was telling my mate he was asking me what I was up Thio. I'm on the weekend. I was like, Oh, I've got my boy wrong on the podcast, you know, we're gonna record a short talk about is his process in his music and in that sort of stuff and he was our truly Do you have any of his music? Yeah, and I was like, I'll look man, like he's the sort of dude that he's only got one or two like out there. But those elect the bangers, that of what he's got right now, because he's the type of dude who would just create and create and create. He's got in the vote because what he wants to give to the world, as you know, the best of run
spk_1: 36:27
Exactly. Yeah, like I mean, at the moment, I've got the luxury of time like one of the Because I've had the have had the privilege. Also being able to attend a couple of, you know, industry workshops in one of the, um, mental ls there was talking. They were saying that we tend to forget that this is actually the prime time of being an artist. Because right now no one is waiting for you like no one is waiting on you. And no one has put the expectations on you yet. So I've got the freedom to create. So for me, I'm creating for myself currently, you know, I'm creating toe what pleases my palate. What pleases my ear and just going I'm just tasting the rainbow are you know what I mean? Going through different sounds, hopping on different beetle instrumentals that I may not usually hop on? Yeah, just going out of my comfort zone, you know, And it's just enjoying the process and just letting it be. Oh, come naturally an organic because that's where the best songs come from. I feel, you know, like I said, Man, it's just it's a feeling like So for me, for example, I'm not skilled enough yet to just be able to you write a song in, Let's say, 15 30 minutes and be happy with it. Like you know, record labels would eat it up and be like, That's the next, Like, you know, a song or whatever that we're going to be releasing is a single know. Whatever I'm creating is a result of a feeling and saying that I'm just look slowly chipping away on making it up. Sorry, delivering it more effectively and more like more witty a guess, you know, because music is music with words is you know it's poetry and music pretty much, you know, like this. Why rap you know, reps is the alliteration for rhythm and poetry like that's what rappers. So my point, and that is like when I have spare time. I mostly trying to read more books, you know, to just enhance, like my vocabulary. I guess the way I could express common things in another way that, you know, that sack punchy. Yeah, like, Bozz
spk_0: 38:57
you pretty much is that you're in an Eminem the day, like, went around reading dictionaries and, yes, sources Just that
spk_1: 39:04
Kanye did it as well. He was trying to find with every negative word that he founded the dictionary. He found a sin in. He found a synonym for the positive one. And he was like swearing toe, like, swearing to himself that, um he was only he liked that he was going to get rid himself of negativity. And he was just gonna use the positive, like, our antonym story of instead of saying the negative would like, yes, some something tripping
spk_0: 39:35
his brains just wired differently, eh? Yeah.
spk_1: 39:39
So, um yeah, because oh, yeah, because he was all about a manifestation, you know, like like putting like speaking things into existence.
spk_0: 39:48
Thoughts become thing.
spk_1: 39:49
Yeah, I don't know if you're a firm believer in, but, you know, I'm a firm leaving that.
spk_0: 39:54
I mean, that's all the people I was going to start a podcast, and e told people I'm gonna become a pilot and hopefully, like, you
spk_1: 40:02
know, hopefully birth. That's the thing. Give Already made the the necessary steps. Good thing you started this podcast cause a scene. Now you've got a You've got a journal toe. Look back to you. Don't be like, you know, I just hang out with these, like, buzzy people in, um, Iand. And while I was trying to become a pilot,
spk_0: 40:24
and I think this is what I'm gonna This is what I'm doing to try and keep myself accountable to this, cause now you're listening to this. You now know what my plans are. Exactly. Know what has to happen now, exactly,
spk_1: 40:38
but I know exactly. And that's the thing. You know, the more the more we do that, you know, because boat like and they're using the analogy of the gym muscles don't go like they go under stress. You know what I mean? Even more cheesy A you know, like diamonds, like, you know, I created from pressure. You know what I mean? So we just have to go through the uncomfortable circumstances because I mean bar. Let's say it was given to you on a silver platter, right? Let's say he ago bore. Just learned the manual whenever you can. But here's your fuckin like pilot's license. Fly the plane whenever you can burn, like call into your next shift like your your head captain now and then in your spare time, you go out with your mates and then you know, you guys have a and work stories, and then you're like, Oh, so how did you get to that position? Hears. And then you just like I just kind of got awarded it. And then they will are, Oh, cool. Where's that? It's
spk_0: 41:36
like, Where's this victory? The victory isn't as sweet. Yeah,
spk_1: 41:39
like like, where's Where's the Where's the substance? Yeah, I guess there's no journey. I want to have, you know, some cool stories to like, cool stories of hardship to, like, tell to my grandkids or like to my Children. You know what I mean? Yeah, like I feel like, let's put it this way, but we just gotta like most of most of the ship's. You just gotta laugh it off A thank you know, just like your sweet Um next.
spk_0: 42:02
That's quite funny, man. Because sometimes I look back at events that have happened. Me happened to me before, and I remember, like, thinking back to that point in my life when I was actually happening, and I was thinking, Damn, look, this has got to be the worst thing. But then looking back at it now, you're just like I wouldn't do that unless I can not laugh about it. Talk about it freely.
spk_1: 42:23
It doesn't. It doesn't even scratch the surface. For the thing is, bird, we could always being the worst position. But like that's the thing and again, But it just always goes back to perception as well. Every day I just always choose to perceive the glass half full because bar, like, you know, I mean, God forbid, I could fucking get hit by a bus crossing the world the next time I do across the world burn like, you know, I don't want to die like being a sad, miserable dude. Anything can happen. And, you know, tomorrow's not promised only decent Texas burger. So
spk_0: 42:57
what do you say to the budding musician who wants to get their hearts out there? But, you know, they sort of come up with the excuse off. My guitar is not good enough for my computer's not good enough. What would you say to that artist, like, you know, put their work into the world, but to give their creations of the world
spk_1: 43:18
Uh okay, Yeah, like I mean, cause if if someone is in the position, we're like, you know, they're finding like excuses, because I was I was And I had that phase. We're like, you know, Oh, I always procrastinated. I was like, Oh, I need I need the latest gear or I need this. I need to buy that. I need to do this. And then I stole Don't it for so long? Because I was like, I gave myself excuses. I was like, Oh, I do need that. But then again, it's expensive, so na can't do it, so, you know, I just delay it. But then when I realized time, time is ticking and that you know, it's now or never. One day I was just like, okay, So if I really want to do this, I got a cough up the cash in the Bulls to just invest in my future. And once I've took off all the materialistic things, it was just again. It comes back to the accountability. Now it's up to me. The keys ain't gonna play itself. The Mac book ain't gonna, you know, create the music for you. You're gonna have to do that shit. No. So now it's time for you to put in the work, so, yeah, I mean, it's just self belief, like self belief of self confidence, But not to the point of delusion, obviously. But in saying that, I got a stress. You do need to have that hint of craziness. But you do need to have the of, like, the delusion. Like sometimes in like that, I can do anything like attitude with these kinds of pursuits. Because, bro like no one's at this point on, You know, at this stage of the pursuit of the dream anyway, your your your own cheerleader, you gotta heip yourself up because no one else will, or when someone else is shitting on you, they obviously not gonna heip you up. So you got to rely on yourself, toe heIp you You're gonna be boys with yourself. You know what I mean? That takes a lot of, like men like self acceptance, but I can actually rely on myself to, like, picked me up and, like, go forward and I, you know, grieving whatever the fuck you just, I guess, going through, you know, take some time. But don't leave it, affect you for too long and for too much, you know, going to dismiss it when, when it's being exhausted and discover for
spk_0: 45:47
I think I think that's ah ah lot. What hinders people was You know what you just said about the self acceptance like I'm not smart enough to create all these nice tunes or I'm not pretty enough to put myself onto YouTube.
spk_1: 46:00
Don't get me wrong, but I still get that
spk_0: 46:01
there are hundreds time you'll have like, um and that, I guess, is a big sort of challenge for us to overcome. In the name of, you know, like self development in growth, because if you're so afraid of drowning that you won't jump into simple, you will never learn how to swim
spk_1: 46:18
Yeah, no differently, man. When you actually decide to do it there Is that like, a little kick in the Sierra turning again that, like, are like, actually did that, you know? So for me, like I told you earlier, before we before we went live like I was just starting to get back into the keys. I thought I was never gonna get it back, you know? But then I was just like, Okay, let's just want we stopped by just like learning a couple of songs. And, you know, at first it was hard because you know it, like obviously rusty fingers, you're cramping, Can't reach the keys and shit. And I've got fucking small fingers, too, Damn it. But you know, like
spk_0: 47:01
when you play the one octave or whatever you like
spk_1: 47:05
Yeah, it's like it's like rule far, you know? But then I just chipped away at it, chipped away at it, chipped away at it, And now I can you know, I can I can play a song and, like, I'm back to, you know, having like a natural feel for the keys again. And it's just about, like, chipping away and, like, just leveling up from there. Yeah, because it's It's the incremental Ah, what they call this improvement? Yes, that that really am stack up. We
spk_0: 47:35
were talking for a while before we recorded on efforts was if it's on the track. But what you said about the overnight success story about Les, I think a lot of people are just not willing to put in the work to grind for how many years to succeed in their pursuits, that it's easy to see online about a dude becoming famous overnight or whatever. But what did you say early about? How could just being like an industry plant, but all years, like how many years of curation behind that moment?
spk_1: 48:03
Yeah, like even they have to put in some degree of work. You know, it may be given to them, and it's just a matter of them having to do it like that. They didn't have to necessarily, like, work hard to get the network of connection, to be able to land that opportunity as such and Derrida. But it's still work, you know.
spk_0: 48:21
And at the end of the day was stole them, you know, behind the microphone. Yes, but exactly what Oh,
spk_1: 48:25
yeah. There's just no such thing. Like I mean, and because,
spk_0: 48:30
like, there's no such thing as a free drink. Is that what the quotas? Yeah. Yeah, I think I've heard
spk_1: 48:35
that before, but yeah, exactly. I mean, I get free drinks. Uh, um, yeah, but like, ah was a
spk_0: 48:46
sorry, right? I mean, like, cut and that and that you're
spk_1: 48:48
good. But I'm just I'm just, um I'm going to go back to it, uh, again, like with the overnights existing? Um, yeah, that just goes back into Yeah, it's it's seasons because people have the allocated time on on when it's time. And because they, you know, like the universal say So everyone was no one at a certain point, you know what I mean? It was just a matter off time because they were consistent. That was a really it assumes you lock into the consistent, but you're off. There's just nothing that will shake that will influence you otherwise, you know, with this, like musical pursuit, You know, of course, I've had, like, family, Christian, me and, like, Billy, you know what they're really doing, right? You know, putting a degree to no use, it's like how? How stable house secure Really? Is that man? What? Really insecure nowadays? Like I mean, your job's gonna be taken over by Terminator, like in a matter of years. You know what I mean? I think what really is secure. You create your own. You create your you create your own destiny. Fam. You know I like like I told you, Um, before, like, i I pretty much just my my degree in her, for the sake of my appearance is peace of mind. And I did the specific majors that I did is so I can hopefully apply at least one of it to myself. You know, hopefully the marketing said what every frickin Luke ah, you know, begin somewhat liken someone applied to apply to my pursuits. So just to, you know, try and be like, smart about it while I'm there Might as well, you know, Bye. Take something from it and that never good
spk_0: 50:48
and saying that they're still also nothing wrong with pursuing a degree for the sake of your parents, cause that's still a very honorable never undertaking
spk_1: 50:58
cause I summed it down to this. What's like they've given, you know, they've they have given the their life to us. Like, you know, like the They've been in service for as long as we've lived. You know, to us what's 34 years to sacrifice to them off my of my time, that's all. I send it down to her. That was the sole motivation to actually finish. Because, bird, that's why I took four years because of my first semester. I repeated for the audience. Yeah, out of full papers, I failed the three past one, like, you know, and first of all, there was the realization of them. Yeah, this right, This really ain't cut for me, you know, Like I really should just be, you know, just doing, like, older. You engineering or some shit. If if I was to be studying or I just learned the shit off YouTube like this, give me the time. You know, I was contemplating and yet just like doing a part time job and then, yeah, I just go. Just do them. You stop the music there four years early, you know, four years earlier. But to them, it was really an important thing. You know, to them they really valued the whole, which which makes sense. But because now let's say if I actually, you know, did pursue like a white collar profession was, you know, a first world qualification from University of Oakland. Like, we're pretty much like, you know, we're pretty much sit like, because with my my dad, like, I'm pretty much I think you can use this like he studied with me for the first year. He doesn't hear to do his master's.
spk_0: 52:42
Oh, yeah, yeah. You
spk_1: 52:43
should be able to like land like a respectable role that, um yeah, at some company because Third World qualifications are not recognized in the first Western world country, you know? I mean, it's fair that, you know, like they have to learn, obviously the rules and regulations and standards here in New Zealand. That's fair. But I didn't think it needed to be taught again, like the theory and what not to be thought again, just at a at a First World Institute. Whereas it's funny because we're bombarded more with school stuff back in the Philippines than we are here in New Zealand. I remember when I came here because I started school here. Year sucks, and you know not to toot my own hope horn, but I was. I was like the smallest and the hope, pretty much the whole school, because we're really pretty much learning algebra while they were still in basic facts, like, you know what I mean? And I'm like, What the fuck like, Why is it so behind here? See? And that's because that's just Asia's curriculum. You know, no such thing as options. You do everything you know from science to woodworks. Everyone has two bags of their, you know, the trolley bag in the in the backpack lips. What option? We don't They don't have that luxury like they need to be strapped that old times, you know,
spk_0: 54:09
Do you think that's one of the limitations of education here is that you are pushed toe already. True's at such a young age between something like chemistry or woodworking, for for us, for me personally, like you can only do one of the other, like at my school, lets you. Who's to say that the student who did do you know the sciences? Who's to say that they're not the most talented, like carpenter out because we don't know what kind of thing he can make because he wasn't able to cultivate that side of his creativity. Yeah, just imagine how many people out there are doing the white collar jobs. And they've got, like, a banger of a song. You know, just sitting on their laptop that they haven't released because they're too scared to, like, give up that security.
spk_1: 54:51
That's the thing. But it's their risk appetite. I mean, sure, like someone could be like, you know, like a musician as a hobby, you know, they love creating stuff, and they're good at it, but they don't believe they probably don't believe in what they they create or what they're gonna create as much that it will pop off in comparison to the very comfy security that he's got going on right now with, you know, a 9 to 5. And there's nothing wrong with that in because I guess, you know, because look in school were conditioned were no, um, but because we're not taught to be entrepreneurs like, we're not talked to be bosses, So we were taught to be employees. It's not how do you stop the business? That's how do you get the job you know what I mean? If they don't, they don't. Um, yeah. Look what's advertised. It's not Do you wanna become your earned this and that? No. Do you want to come work for us? Because we're this and that it's giving you the illusion of prestige, where in fact, you're still an employee and I'm not again like it sounds arrogant. It can come across his arrogant, but I feel like that's just the reality, because it is like, Well, it's a glass ceiling. Still, someone is still above you. You don't have autonomy of your time. And that's that's my whole point with the whole with my whole rationale of quitting my 9 to 5 is because I don't have autonomy of my time. Eight hours is blocked already,
spk_0: 56:30
and that's a significant part of the day.
spk_1: 56:32
Yeah. Anyway, do have we only have 24 hours, my g, you know, we only have 24 hours
spk_0: 56:41
and sometimes in even 24 is not enough for you.
spk_1: 56:43
No, no, no. But, um, yeah, it's just what you do with with the debut. For as long as things progress, we can't be too hard on ourselves. But, you know I mean, there are people who are, you know, I'll use the term interactive relaxes and the, you know, these people that really just do need some chill time. People do need to wind wind down. We can have, you know, spurts of like, you know, I guess three days going handed, you know, the old night isn't what not, But it's just that it's just spirit, you know, we're gonna you need to have the breaks in the team. You know, sometimes I do get the face. I think it's like a creator or on artists like Curse Dilemma type thing where you'd want to chill like, let's say, like, you know, I want to go out What? Your move. You like one of Jim, Hang with the boys or or jam some PlayStation like I would be like, Oh, man, I could be using this time more wisely. You know, I could be tripping away at the thing because just to put myself, you know, just putting myself into that, um, putting myself to a standard, you know of like, a like as cheesy as it sounds like. You know, the more time you like kicking back like someone's really working as hard. Which is true, though. You know someone is working like harder than then you. But then again, you know and saying that whether it's effective or not, you know, because in terms of working hard, you also have to work smart because obviously there's a lot of like, like, you know how I told you I, um, really like everyone can were saying earlier, like everyone can sing. It's whether it's good or bad, right? And before I start like four line over, I could I could sound absolutely shit like to everyone. But for me, I feel like I sound tolerable enough to be listened to, and I enjoy it. So
spk_0: 58:40
you know what? I
spk_1: 58:41
want to keep doing it until someone tells me otherwise. But even then, you know, it's like, now, like, this is just too good and like, you know, I mean, I gave an altitude, my own home.
spk_0: 58:51
Some people do like it, you know? I mean, you know, as almost there's, there's
spk_1: 58:55
some people that enjoy it, then, okay, there's still gonna be enough for a little party, you know, like it's it's so good day.
spk_0: 59:03
I think it's a deadly combo. If someone A believes in themselves and be actually talented all world, it
spk_1: 59:10
lets the thing. But like, that's the thing. And I guess it's up to the audience to really the to really dictate that, right? Like if you proclaimed yourself talented, you'd come across his arrogant. But if the masses put that tattle on to you, then you just accept it. It's more of the humble way of kind of saying Yam talented, but don't quote me for it. Like they they told me
spk_0: 59:38
just his Georgia never called himself the Goat. Well, that's that was bestowed upon him by the people.
spk_1: 59:43
Yeah, but now he's embodied it. I'm pretty sure, like obviously, you know, the Kobe in Jordan debate before LeBron even came into the scene like it was nothing. Yeah, And I'm sure like Jordan had to come check Coby, you know, like one time, and be like my G. Like you see these. You see these rings? There's not enough fingers for these rings in my G like you know,
spk_0: 1:0:07
So, yeah, reckon Jordan by Well, I guess you ah, wrap it up there should happen up. Are you hungry? I'm hungry. we're hungry. So let's just get on record Bar once again. Thanks for your time, man, for letting me come out here, but to the crib
spk_1: 1:0:29
bar. It's my pleasure. Were like, Yeah, anytime in like, um, obviously we're now like gin user. Like good luck on your arm. The look on your venture businessman, you know, And don't forget about a neighborhood
spk_0: 1:0:43
helmet and they forget about us when your name's up in lights, man,
spk_1: 1:0:47
that the more burgers number, it won't be because, you know, whether you'll be the pilot of the private
spk_0: 1:0:52
way. Already talked about this with
spk_1: 1:0:57
you, but, you know, like I mean, yeah, like you can work, you know, will work alongside the Taliban. Ah, saber. Like in any way you want. More like I got you. You just gotta take us there.
spk_0: 1:1:10
Uh, let's go.
spk_1: 1:1:11
Just gonna take us to you.
spk_0: 1:1:13
Appreciate the quarter over
spk_1: 1:1:14
there. By that, not my man.