| 006 | Time Management Mastermind

In this episode I sit down with Terrence Ibasco, time management mastermind. He juggles a fulltime job as an engineer with occasional speaking engagements to current students of his alma mater, The University of Auckland. He also devotes a lot of his time to the high energy rock band, Fuego. He describes how his love of music was resurrected after a seven year hiatus, and how every musician’s dream of starting a band became a reality for him. They’ve got a few tracks out on Spotify which you should absolutely check out, and they also gig a few times a year.

Staying fit and healthy is of utmost importance to him as well, both physically and mentally. He somehow manages to squeeze in several hours of gym, as well as several hours of reading each week. If you think that you haven’t got enough time to get all your shit done, just remember, you’ve got the same amount of time as everyone else.

Transcript

spk_0:   0:00
everyone, please forgive my voice for this introductory segment. I'm a little bit sick at the moment, but stuff to push through with fighting the episode. My voice is normal throughout the wrist, so you don't need to worry about struggling through the whole thing listening to my raspy anyway. In this episode, I sit down with Terrence Bosco, time management mastermind. He juggles a full time job, is an engineer with occasional speaking engagements to current students of his alma mater, the University of Auckland. He also devotes a lot of his time to the high energy rock band. For a go, he describes how his love of music was resurrected after a seven year hiatus and how every musician's dream off starting advance became a reality for him. They've got a few tracks out on Spotify, which you should absolutely check out, and they also gig a few times a year. Staying fit and healthy is off utmost importance to him as well, both physically and mentally. He somehow manages to squeeze into several hours of Jim as one of several hours of reading each week. If you think that you haven't got enough time to get over your shit down. And just remember, you've got the same amount of time as everyone else. Head to to passion Project Thought. Come to find out how to listen to the podcast on your favorite streaming service, Please. Also, considering following me so that these episodes come straight to you. My boy. Thanks so much for letting me come over to your house and record a never sort of a passion project. Off course. Of course, man. So sitting down with me today is Terrence Bosco. Just give us a little bit of an elevator, pitches to who you are, and then I'll, uh, tell my listeners why I've got you on the show.

spk_1:   1:55
Cool things His well, I'd like to say hello to all over listeners out there of the two Passion Project. Part one. My name is Terrence. I am a Paris's Simms engineer. That's my full time job, but on the side, I'm also a musician. I play bass guitar for a four piece rock band, Gold for a Go, and also on top of that, I do a lot of talks and a lot of public speaking and Justin overall thriving individual.

spk_0:   2:31
That sounds sounds pretty mean you sold yourself. So So I was before we started recording. I was sort of explained Thio the inspiration behind the podcast and the people that I have in my life that have inspired me to do something like this. And like I said before, you're one of them, bro. Thank you. And the reason why is, um yeah, just a little those things that you shared about yourself. Power systems engineer, yet public, speaker and musician like that's a lot of good things to be doing about a lot of good things to be doing. I don't know, man. I just wanted to sort of get a little bit of an insight as to how your road works, how you find the time to do all these frickin amazing things. Because I'm sure there's all these people out there that you know have that 95 full time job. And they have all these hobbies that they had that they want to pursue on the side sort of thing, man. And I guess I just wanted to sort of know how you manage your time with all these things, bro.

spk_1:   3:37
I'm extremely flattered. I No one's ever said anything like that he has. But you're absolutely right. There are a lot of people out there, especially those ones that we know. We don't need to look very far to find people who are very excited about things and ideas in their head, but they're just gonna find the time. The short answer is just time management. We can get into that later. But me, I am a big fan of using my calendar at work. I use my outlook calendar, and I make sure you use it for my personal life as well. So I look at one thing and I'm able to know, Okay, I'm available at this time. I'm not available at that time, and that's and if you have to, you have to move around things to make work. One of the most powerful things that a close friend of mine said to me not long ago, just 2.5 years ago, He said, You don't find time, but you make time. And he said that to me at a party. So we were a little bit tipsy then, but it stuck with me. Yeah, you know, you have to make an effort as much as anything in the world. You want to be good at something, you have to put in the work, and it's the same time. It's only commodity. They can't. You can't get back. Yeah, but it's a limited resource,

spk_0:   4:59
And it's quite interesting that you say that you have to make time and make it fit for the things that are important to you. Because, as I said, you were one of the people that inspired me to actually get to start in the first place. And at the time of recording this pod costs. You know, I'm leaving the country in about three days, man. Exactly. Right. And I was looking at my calendar cause I was scheduling and can use a bite of this person then. Yet this person at this time and I was looking at it, and I was like them. I really need to get Terrance in, like, in person, because I don't want to do him to the service of having like a remote guest when he was the one who inspired me to do this in the 1st 1 of the people who inspired me to do this in the first place for you. I was driving here and I was just going through the things that I wanted to say. Our ask, you bow and I was like, Man then, like I was just nervous and so am I

spk_1:   5:56
have never thing I've never done anything like this before his, but I think you have something really powerful here. And that's why I'm excited to do this with you, because we can inspire people hot powder, wilderness part. But we can change lives, you know, and and and that's that's something that excites me here. And that's something that just makes me feel good

spk_0:   6:18
human with the time management fees. Give us a little bit of an insight as to what your day looks like. So you gotta work. You got band practice, you got Jim, your readings and all that sort of stuff, and I was obviously, like household chores, bro. How do you manage that time?

spk_1:   6:36
I'll break it down, but let's start with a week with a week day to say Monday I wake up around five o'clock in the morning and I I I go to the gym. I hit the gym of 5 30 because That's when Lez Melis opens and I finished my gym at seven o'clock a shower. Get ready, get changed. 7 30 I jump on the bus and it's It's about a 45 to a 60 minute commute to my workplace of Becca at the CBD, And that's when I squeeze in My my my reflection time. In my reading, I make sure that there are three things that I want to cheat. Oh, I want to achieve before I start my work, I want to prepare my mind, my body and my soul. Because work or a K A business is like going into a war. You know, you have to prepare your mind, your body and soul. Otherwise, you won't win the war. I prepare my mind. I say a little prayer every time I wake up. You know, I think, Thank God, Jesus for for giving me another day to take off something on my to do list. That's how I prepare my my soul exercise. And that's how I prepare my body and then read 45 to 60 minutes on the bus. You read 2025 pages. That's powerful, that there's a lot of good things to your mind. And that's how I prepare my mind. See, when I enter the workplace, I'm ready to go eight hours. Let's hit it. Yeah.

spk_0:   8:17
And you look like you love what you do, man.

spk_1:   8:19
Absolutely. You know it. You get days, you get up. You know, you get ups and downs just like anything else in the world. But if you follow something that you're good at and you find passion and what you do, you will like it and you will become good at it. And you would like it even more and you would come. You've become even better at it, said Domino Effect. It's a compound in effect. So I do my work say, knock off a 55 30 I commute back home, I get home maybe around 6 30 With open traffic, you need to factor that in and any II do my cooking. I have my dinner, have a shower and invited. And then I packed my stuff with the gym the following day, and by the time all that's done, probably talking 8:38:30 p.m. And I practiced my guitar. I practice my music until 9 30 or 10 o'clock, and then I I hit the sack that time in the evening between 8 to 10. That changes every night. Mondays, Tuesdays at practice. You know my guitar, my music. Say when the Wednesday I I catch up with a friend on a Thursday band practice. Normally Friday, maybe I do some chores that I I'm behind on. It changes, but as always, I allocate that time I could achieve something. Otherwise I'll just slip past me. And the weekends are very similar, yet quite different during the weekends and say Saturday, I that's when I pulled in all my chores. I still do my workouts and I catch up with friends. I get some rested, and I get to do a lot more reading during the weekends as well. It changes depending on when there's an invitation for a friend to catch up or say some family phone calls I put it in. Or

spk_0:   10:22
if there's a port costs to recall

spk_1:   10:23
exactly just like this, right? So what time is it now? We're between 8 to 10

spk_0:   10:27
so here we are, Perfect. Time it, I've got you on Instagram and I view your story's quite regularly, And I see you start your day at the gym like you said, and you've got this outfit on ready for war by the end of the day, like I look at it again, you know, as your day progresses and I'm like, Shit, is this still the same day? Like he's doing so much? And I like I know it's the same day because you still got the same light work showed on and that you did that you had on, you know, at the duty's done, you know it is, then that's insane. Bo, how how do you say, How do you have the energy just to keep doing that each and every day? Because it's so easy for you to get home at 5 30 say, You know what? I might skip the music practice tonight, or I might not read those 25 pages cause I'm just wasted today, like, how do you keep going?

spk_1:   11:16
It's all about ambition and dreams. I'm one of the things I post a lot about on my stories and instagram. Sure, you probably notices

spk_0:   11:23
uplift motivated spotter

spk_1:   11:24
live. That's our mantra. Every day. It's about ambition and dreams. so we all have dreams, will have ambitions. But how do we get to those ambitions? How do we achieve them? We set little tasks along the way. We set many tasks to get this to those dreams. A k a goals and everything that I do during the day during the week are in line with the little task or little goals that will get me to that tree. There will be days that will be difficult. There will be days where it will be. You know, you just don't feel like doing it. And of you know, I have succumbed to that feeling many times. I still go through it every day. But when you remind yourself that what you're about to do will bring you closer to your ambition, can you just have this jolt of energy all of a sudden? This motivation? Ah, but you know, I make sure that I get enough rest in because at the end of the day, you know you you work your body. So I still put some rest in, because the mind can only take you so far. But in terms of motivating yourself, that's what I remind myself. off that this activity band practice, music practice presentations, public speaking podcasts, social media posts will take me closer to my ambition. And that's enough for me

spk_0:   12:46
and its windows. It's when you have those moments or you're thinking, I do know when I do not want to do this, that's when it's most important. That's when it's impaired so that you have to do it.

spk_1:   12:55
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. It's like it's It's just like, what? Ronnie Coleman or Arnold Swash? And then you said in the gym, right? They said, It's when that last or its rep number eight or nine, that when it really works out that body parked, it's the same. It's when you're feeling down that sometimes that activity is what will make the most impact. And when you remind yourself that that's what it is, you get that motivation.

spk_0:   13:24
I think it's also quiet, important the the accountability to yourself because you don't have to put this online. No one has to see what you're doing. But at the same time, it also sort of does give you that little push. Yeah, you know that all these people are aware that this is what my day looks like Yeah, you know, they might hit me up and be like, Hey, you don't go to the gym today. Yeah, you don't put anything about reading or in early.

spk_1:   13:46
I'm glad you mentioned that. Maybe we'll get into that of it later. But I I do post a lot, and I try. I'm very aware that a lot of people see my posts, and I don't want to give a negative impact on them for my post, but at the same time, I want to keep it sincere, you know? I mean, you don't want to just post positive because no, life isn't like that. It's not like that. You want to keep it? Really? Yeah. So I bell and set out. So if I'm feeling down, I I post that I'm down. But I turn it, you know, twists it in such a way as to maybe it's my turn to seek for motivation from other people. You know, I keep it real, and I keep genuine. And, you know, I I I get the motivation 90 from others. It's ah, it's a, you know, given receive.

spk_0:   14:42
It's so easy to be salty, like online workers it. You can hide behind your screen. You can do whatever you can Just put it out there like I feel so shit today. Uh, like, uh, then what's a cold? There's this quote that I heard in another podcast that I follow yet it goes Read about what you love until you learn to love to read. And there's like a certain charm about the analog nature of actually reading a book. Because you actually have, like, the physical copies of the book. So you don't have a Kindle or anything like that. I don't You don't? Yeah. Do you think it's more important to read like books itself, like physical paper pages? Or do you think this is more important just to read? Or today? Is there a connection between the two?

spk_1:   15:27
It's the 2nd 1 I think it regardless of the medium that you use as only she read it. It's all good. I I do both. I read books because I I like the smell of the pages and I like being able to turn the page. I like being able to feel the book and see how many pages have read. How many more to go and in the margins on either side of the text, I'm able to annotate stuff. But at the same time, I I like reading online. Yeah, I think it's a very convenient way to absorb information. Knowledge. I'm on Facebook all the time. I read some of the news from Facebook. I read some off the captions from the friends that we follow on Facebook. So I'm I'm for both as always, you read, you feed the mind and you know it's it's a good thing.

spk_0:   16:20
It's one thing to read and to absorb information and to learn and to educate yourself. Men tell us something a little bit more about, like your public speaking because obviously you're dating information. You're passing it along. So where do you speak? What they usually speak about Who's the audience?

spk_1:   16:35
Yeah, right. So one of the things that ideal work cause So when I started my career in a Becca and Engineering, you know, I was just just, you know, just really young engineer, fresh out of uni and just this punch wanting to absorb knowledge. But at the same time, I I liked the whole social media side of it, so I started posting stuff or positive things and Becca, my, my, my, my employer noticed that. And that's kind of winter where it started. They got to a point where the approached me and ask if I could help them with their marketing stuff. They asked me if if I could help them tap into the younger generation, because obviously the younger generation there's were all about social media, and sometimes that's the most effective way to get through to them. Ah, and that's how it started for me. You know, you take the first engagement say infront off your co engineers to five people you present. I don't know what it is, but I've always gotten this high. When I talk to people like when they present something, don't get me wrong. I get Helen nervous before I speak. But when I'm doing it, I I get this immense joy, you know, because I feel like I'm able to impart knowledge into another person which someone else has imparted on to me. And the whole idea of spreading information spreading knowledge just excites me, you know? So you see, start with a small crowd and eventually you put your hand up to speak at a conference in front of hundreds of engineers, which I did, which I have done numerous times for Becca. So to answer your question, has I when I sum my speaking engagements could be a technical conferences for Becca. So I talk about the work that we do, some of the projects that we do, some of the breakthroughs that we've discovered. So we presented in front of engineers at conferences, and also I I'm very active with the university. I do a lot of work with my alma matter, the University of Auckland shout out to the best universities

spk_0:   19:04
in the world. This go. That's where I was that as well, man exit

spk_1:   19:09
stuff. So I I had the most wonderful four years at university, and one way for me to give back is to help them inspire the next generation off. Would the university student, So I speak to a lot of university students. They've asked me to speak in front of first year engineering students to help him decide which discipline of engineers you want to get into. And it's not just a matter of speaking to them, you know, 500 at the time because normally what happens is he speak to them, you know, 500 of them in a room. And after that, you stand in the booth and they ask you all these questions in in, You know, I remember just being in those shoes home. Was I 18 19 years old, you completely clueless, and you're not even sure if you're hitting the right path, But to be able to speak to someone who's already, you know, on the other side of the table in telling you Hey, on the right path, keep going. It's gonna be hard, but keep going. I I didn't have that. But now that I'm on the other side of that table, I wanna be that person for someone else. Recently, I spoke to the university again. Food for the second straight year. So many students approached me, and they're so scared to make the wrong choice, whether they should get and go into software engineer or civil engineering. It's so broad, you know? I tell them, you know, I asked him basic questions. What do you like? What do you not like? And then you just help him weed out the other options. Uh, yeah, I just get such a big high for me. It's like a performance. It's really no different to playing music in front of hundreds, hopefully one day, thousands of people. But I see it as like that. It's a fulfillment of a dream standing front of people. I

spk_0:   21:07
think it's so important for students, young people to be ableto hear someone speaking for them young as well and about you know, their careers because it's so easy to be tempted Toe fall asleep in class when you're listening to a lecture, has been doing that for 30 years, and they sound like they don't want to be there because what you said, you know, you don't have anything like that when you when you were a student and by the lake, you could have maybe touch the heart off someone who was, you know, thinking crapping my doing the right.

spk_1:   21:40
Exactly. I like what you just said. They're his kids. When I was about to get on stage during my last speaking engagement in diversity, it was 7 p.m. In the evening and and some of those students would have started 8 a.m. I'm positive. I remember that because I was in the issues before. I'm not going to say how many years, but and then you scan across the room and you can see that they're not paying attention anymore simply because they didn't feel inspired at the time. And God knows if that that, you know, feeling my and I really hope in my fear was that if that feeling was enough with them to step away from engineering and forever loose this person who knows that person, if he had carried on, if he carries on he could solve cancer one day, right? So that's my motivation. You know, it's what if this person will discover something that will help the world one day, But because he didn't pursue this field or school is because he got bored or he was not inspired. Then we lost. Something

spk_0:   22:57
imagined lacks of Elon Musk. Imagine if it was work up one day and said, Men, I can't be bothered Doing this anymore in the world was never given something like the world was never given PayPal. Yeah, that's how long does this being in the game, right? PayPal's Tesler speaks space six. The boring company. It will be so sad to hear you are to know, say, if you were God and you're looking down on the people here and you knew that, All right, this kid has the capacity to give this back to the world that he just wakes up one day and he's too lazy to do it. Yeah, them what a ways

spk_1:   23:32
I want. I want to be that external force that can tap that get on the shoulder and say You don't know this yet, but you're going to do something really important to the world one day. Please keep going. Please keep on

spk_0:   23:49
the same thing. But also be said Thio, the inspired musician, Yes, tell us a little bit about Lego

spk_1:   23:57
Lego Ah, it's a dream come true. Just like many other things I've said earlier in this podcast already. Let me start by saying I did not come from a musical background at all. People talk about family trees. If you trace my family forest, none of us none of them could carry a note. It's not a chance. Maybe the audio la la la la many years ago, but I was in high school in the Philippines. 14 years old, I was introduced to do guitar. This piece of wood. It's it's pretty cost to Mary. For Filipino high school students, it's usually that time in their lives where they discover music. And normally the intention is really to pick it up to impress a girl. I really I can't remember if that was what happened to me. Maybe maybe I picked it up because I wanted to impress someone. But I picked it up. I didn't know how to play it. I strum that once and I just felt this strong feeling come over me. And I said I wouldn't learn this instrument. I tried to find the closest person next to me to teach me how to use it. I couldn't, but I was persistent. I could not accept that. You know, nobody around you could teach me how to guitar. So I you pick up some hits, you know, you pick up. Ah, I don't know. Just listen to the radio or something. And then you ask friends who are on that journey as well of trying to learn an instrument to impress a girl. So that's how I learned how to play guitar, and then I came home. One day, my parents bought a piano keyboard. Why? Because it was on sale. They didn't intend to get me into music whatsoever. It did. Just bought it because it was on sale. And I, you know, you played for, like, five seconds or something like that. And the next morning I went back to school and, you know, the guys, my classmates, they wanted to form a band. We had, like, nine guitar players, and they looked at me and said, Uh, you know, let another instrument, Then you can join. The band came home in frustration, depression. I just missed with a keyboard. And then my parents signed me up for this piano lesson with the With the piano with the church pianist. She taught me for about 66 sessions, and after that she made me play piano for church. I remember that, like, I remember that just like it was yesterday. So I was I practice, you know, months and months. And finally it was my turn to play the piano, and then the speaker went out like the full back so I could hear what I'm playing just it lost power. And, uh, it's it's nearly It's very difficult to play music when you can't hear what you're playing. And I was just going bye bye bye bye memory, right muscle memory. But it could only take me to like the second stands ourselves.

spk_0:   27:21
And then when he got to the second

spk_1:   27:23
course, it was, you know, the It was an acapella.

spk_0:   27:28
I know it's so funny. They just had to snap their fingers to stain time. It was horrible. I was embarrassed, but I

spk_1:   27:34
was like, How old was 15 years old anyway? That motivated me to practice. And then my music teacher in high school found that I've played the piano. He got me to play piano for the high school choir, and that's and that was that was the start of it, really. I fell in love with the piano, and I even played piano for the graduation mess. So if I if I go back to the Philippines and catch up with my has high school friends, they actually to remember me as a pianist, not a guitar player, not as a you know, bad member. And I mean they were moved to New Zealand and I lost. Interesting. It's our dropped it for seven years. Seven long years, most people. That's old. It took to go from zero to Jimi Hendrix. Seven years and just something came came over me to just pick up the guitar. You know, it's like that first love that you for gotten and you felt this intense feeling again in your heart to follow it again, and I just never looked back. That was 2015. I picked up the guitar again. I was 25. Result after having ignored it for seven years. Practice, practice, practice And naturally, as you get better at the gets hard, you'd start dreaming about a band this to this day. So Fargo has been around for three years now. To this day, I still ask myself, I still pinch myself. What in the world have I dot to deserve this band? I mean it. I look at the guys that I play with incredibly talented, and I really don't know what it was that I did for me to have this opportunity to come across these these amazing artists and also that just chase the stream and over been together. We've been a band for three years now. We write our own music and we get to play at bars, would get to play at different cities, and we're starting to gain traction and make a name for ourselves. We have a couple of songs and Spotify original songs and Spotify And if you ask me, I don't know when I was 18 years old, say, 14 years old, if you ask me 14 years old that I could ever have a record a little on the rock band like like say, you know, our idols. I would laugh at you even if you ask me when I was 18 even if you ask me when I was $25.50 that laugh at you. Is it really three years from now? I'll have a record on Spotify. You're kidding, but I cherish every moment that I stepped on stage with those leads, and it was just It's just amazing opportunity. I get such a high as well, similar to any of my speaking engagements. It's a blessing. It's incredible blessing

spk_0:   30:39
and I've seen a couple of your gigs, man, and I can just see the love on your face. That man I love the should

spk_1:   30:46
have. Thank you. Thank you. You're every every time I step on stage, even during sound check. You know, nobody watching us. Just four guys and say the technicians, I remind myself, You know, you work so hard to get to this point. It may end tomorrow. Make sure you give it your all tonight. Make sure you give the audience everything you got. Make sure you guys give one hell of a show. It may end tomorrow, man. Tomorrow

spk_0:   31:18
It's so fascinating hearing the progression off coming from I want to impress a girl. So just performing for the love of it.

spk_1:   31:27
Yeah, I know. I know.

spk_0:   31:30
Give us a bit of a paint. A picture for me, man. Like, what's What's your process like in terms of writing music or your practice? Yeah. You know, the blood, the sweat and the tears Like, what do you love so much about that?

spk_1:   31:44
It's collaboration for me, Apart from so in isolation just for myself. I love play, Miss Olive performing of Performed in Front of People as a solo artist. Apart from my four piece rock band for ago, I also write my own songs, my solo acoustic songs on my Crusade guitar. But what makes figure so special is just the collaboration were able to create something that I myself cannot create on my own. The way we write music is I still think that I'm the least talented out of our four, and I'm totally fine with that. If you see what how creative those other three are. And if you can see the face. If you could hear the things that they play inside the four walls of our studio, I wish I could just hit record and and, you know, one day that could be That could be a thing, right? If fingers crossed, we become famous. You know, they 50 years after after we die or something, they'll be like a lost record off all of these random notes that we played in a studio on a cold winter night in two

spk_0:   32:52
1019. Something like that.

spk_1:   32:55
Beautiful music, Beautiful music. How do we write music? It all starts with my lead guitarist, whose names I car so he turns up the band practice with this always amazing riffs on his guitar, but but he already has, like a plan for a feel like the groove off the song, so he placed his lick right and attend. But when he wrote that maybe in his bedroom the night before, he could already hear how the drums plays, that's normally how he thinks. He plays the guitar with a drum playing in his head, so he presents that at band practice. So he's the first step first instrument, and then he explains his idea to the team to the band. But really, he's looking at the drummer. He tells the jump. A drummer, Choi, give me this field, giving this group and then so I could will keep playing it until the drummer gets it. And now you've got two pieces out of the four and then read the vocalist we would normally captured just using our phones and redwood record that draft just the drums and the guitar, and he, depending on how inspired he is, he might write them. He might write the lyrics on the spot, so Red is our vocalist, and he wrote all of our songs, all the lyrics everywhere. There are songs he wrote him me, my role as a bass player said The base is both a percussive instrument. I call it the person because of its it. Strictly speaking, the technique. It's a string instrument, but it needs the the blend the string instruments with just the rest of the guitarist the melody and the groove in the Beats in the Brigham the Trumps. So, yeah, I'm the last piece to go into a song.

spk_0:   34:52
The cherry on top of the

spk_1:   34:53
cherry on top. I like the I like which. I think this is why I fell in love with the base because it just fits with my role in the band and just fits with my personality. You know, I go, uh you know, this member has a different personality than this, but I I take it up to me to make it old band together. Uh, yeah, that's how we write music. And in its very iterative, you know, you the next next week we will play what we prepared, and then we go. Well, let's record that. Let's tweak it. So yeah, it starts with a guitar riff immediately after, followed by the drums, and Red May lay down his his lyrics right there and there and then my baseline just gets added a bit later. It depends on ah, the field and the melody that we want to follow.

spk_0:   35:44
All I can think about right now, man, is when you're just Children, you're doing the sound checks and stuff like that. You guys are just jamming away. Has no audio recording equipment or anything like that. So you're not in the mind set off. Let's record something, but just imagine you're jamming away men and it's the most amazing, like freestyle, like whatever. You're manic, exactly, very, very organic. And that's the only time that that particular string of music ever be played yet. Like, imagine just all the lost pieces of music that all the bands or the orchestra's or the greats have. Just, you know, Shredder, you mentioned the Beatles just having a freestyle position, you know, you know where they're from, downtown Abbey or whatever, and they're just chillin and like, man, let's just play for the hell of plain for the love of playing. Yeah, like I just think about all the things that we, as fans of music, have not being able to hear.

spk_1:   36:42
I know, I know, and that's the reality of it, you're not gonna be able to capture it. The flip side of that is some of the good parts off from the different songs that that artist would have written. They may be the Frankenstein it into one song, which would have turned up to be a hit. I don't know which song that which I can't give you a song, a cz an example. But I won't be surprised if that happened to an artist, because certainly we've done that. We've taken bits from several songs that were written and scrapped and turn it into a song that we now play regularly.

spk_0:   37:23
One of the one of my favorite videos on YouTube is I think it's Ah if KJ in Marseilles go when they record Toto Toto, if K G. And mostly it was like

spk_1:   37:38
I think I know, I know it's Maceo. Yeah, it's that gets hard. Yeah, but you know, I love that piece of music so much because it reminds me of John Mayer's tone.

spk_0:   37:51
Tell me about Joe Maddon like I see him all over your feeds

spk_1:   37:54
and John Mayer is mine guitar hero. He is the guy. He is not the guy that inspired me to pick up the guitar, but he is the guide that inspired me to hold on to the guitar forever,

spk_0:   38:08
and sometimes that's even more important. It's

spk_1:   38:10
totally everyone picks up the guitar, but not everyone holds onto it. I almost I didn't hold on to it. John Mayer. First time I heard him 2000. I think I was in high school. You know, your body is one Len, and I really wasn't into music back then. Ah, and he was. He was quite young. He was very Poppy at the time. And when I started, when I picked up the guitar again and started exploring, you know, when the guitar started to study the guitar again, you come across these special guitar players that took the guitar to a different level. That really understood not just the music but also the instrument in John Merrill. And that's how I was re introduced to Mr Mayor John Clayton mayor. He writes amazing songs. He has amazing tone on guitar, all right. His music just captivates me. Even though Fragos music is very far from John Mayer's

spk_0:   39:20
real Farman really far

spk_1:   39:23
and that's good enough for me. I think that's one of the reasons why if we go is so special, because individually, all four of us, we just come from different backgrounds. And if you put in a loss together, we don't sound like Metallica. Plus John Mayer, plus bullet for my Valentine plus Corn. We don't sound anything like that, but we're able to take the instrument in our hands, take a different level similar to what our idols did.

spk_0:   39:52
There's a video off John Mayer. One of my favorites off his is when he covers. Ain't no sunshine by Bill Withers

spk_1:   39:59
ISAT the one on the cross roads were on stage.

spk_0:   40:01
Yemen Election Yeah, it is raping you. And that was my first sort of introduction to how talented he is on the guitar. Because I've heard all those, you know, his pop songs, the ones that are, you know, radio, radio popular. Yeah, um may keep some money or whatever. The reason why I love that one is because that's when I first really saw him like play. And that's not even when he, like shreds like Alzheimer's, has most. Another one that I really like is when he is playing at some concert and his guitar looks really like old and all the pain is like so worn out.

spk_1:   40:42
Yeah, probably the black one

spk_0:   40:43
Yet that black one when he's doing a solo of gravity. And then what was

spk_1:   40:47
he wearing in that?

spk_0:   40:48
I don't remember. He's got some headband Lindbergh, but someone from the crowd like handsome a guitar.

spk_1:   40:53
And then he started

spk_0:   40:54
playing on that.

spk_1:   40:55
I saw that video.

spk_0:   40:56
I'm just like, damn! And it's in tune. That's the most fascinating about that. Dude just brings a guitar. So concerns in tune like man like

spk_1:   41:05
any signs it in the end

spk_0:   41:06
off how the stewed. But he's such a talent man. The special and you were privileged enough to see him when he played here, right?

spk_1:   41:13
Yes, sir, He was here, Um, and let me backtrack a little bit. 2014. I was living in Wellington and I caught the John Mayer bug already. I caught the John Mayer train as a song Stop the street. I was riding the job, man trained, but I was quite new to it. 2014. How timely it was when he announced his concert in Spark Arena at the time. It's called Victory in a in a moment, but I didn't feel like spending that amount of money to go fly and see him at the same time. And so I said I and then I, you know, it's I got over it pretty quickly. But as I continue my journey with music, the more I appreciated John Maher. The more I got to know the genius that a jumper and the more that I regretted

spk_0:   42:09
not going

spk_1:   42:09
these concepts. I told myself the next time he comes, See, I didn't know that I would have the wait five years, but at the same time, it was good that I had to wait five years because he was able to create some of the most beautiful pieces of music that he's ever written during that window. And when he announced his concert that he was coming here in December, so he and he made the announcement December. He's coming here in March. That was 19. He came university about seven months ago. I said I got the money, got the time this do these gold 2030 I got the most. I don't want to say most expensive, but I bought the seat. The closest seat that I could get

spk_0:   42:57
it for you. Yeah, 23rd of March. Men like I just think it was so beautiful how he incorporated the couple hacker group at the beginning of the Obviously it with it being a week after that Christ church attack. Yeah. Yeah. And I just thought it was so touching that such a big name came to our little country are intense our little corner of the world and embraced the indigenous culture and, you know, offered that for the victims of that attack. Man, I just thought that was so beautiful. But

spk_1:   43:30
I know, I know. And he probably only had, like, one rehearsal prior to that how talented he is and how you know how how good of a man he is to for him to make a deal to make that fit into the set list.

spk_0:   43:46
Because how hard is it just too put something like that into a concert was always There's so much planning behind an event like that. Yeah. You can't leave anything to chance or anything like that. Yet it is quite hard. Just insert another piece, is it?

spk_1:   44:02
Were so chummy a place with a nine piece band. So he's eat, please. He's on the guitar. He's got another two guitar players bass player, a drummer, another pick percussive instrumentalist. And in three backup singers I Lost Count was at nine, and each of those artists are very, very talented in their own right. So learning a piece of music for that nine piece John Mayer band is easy, and even jamming at one time is easy. But if you recall bay, they brought in, I think a group with, you know, the group that stood there in front of that that would have taken a little bit of planning. So Musicality Waas music wise, which I wouldn't think that was difficult for his band, too. Toe learn that piece of music, but

spk_0:   45:03
just be the logistics of in

spk_1:   45:04
starting a and then making because they need to. You need to fit it in that time frame of the concert, but now they made it happen.

spk_0:   45:15
It was such a beautiful thing, and I really wish I was there a

spk_1:   45:18
man. I had goose bumps. I didn't recognize that song because I had a made a bet with myself that I was going to recognize

spk_0:   45:26
every song

spk_1:   45:27
every So I won that bet. But the 1st 1 I thought to myself, Who? I don't recognize this the houses. I don't recognize this song of losing the bet, but it's very touching when he did it.

spk_0:   45:40
To be fair, that's not a piece that he wrote. But I like that.

spk_1:   45:45
Yeah, cool, I'll take that.

spk_0:   45:47
So you've won that battle, That bet smash that. You've won that

spk_1:   45:51
even to the point that he got hit because he changed his guitars. Almost every song I've seen so many each of videos of job mayor playing music that I got to know that his guitars and when his guitars that candid him say, this type of acoustic guitar, this type of electric guitar, I was able to narrow down the songs that he could play in those and then when he played enjoy. I know this. I know what

spk_0:   46:20
this is. Yeah, tell me, man, because I'm not a musician. I don't have the same appreciation that you have off all these different guitars. Obviously different guitars produced different types of sound. What's your favorite type of? All right, we'll backtrack. What's your favorite instrument, first of all, and then what's your favorite type of that instrument?

spk_1:   46:40
I'm gonna say the guitar. The guitar is my favorite instrument. I love playing the piano, but I'm not. I'm not as good as I waas. It's not my favorite anymore. So that's my favorite instrument guitar first Love Favorite type. You'll have to be my Martin acoustic, my one and only acoustic. It's our because, uh, I love the band I love while ago, but I'm able to produce the music that I can hear my head using that acoustic guitar more so than the base and with the acoustic guitar. I don't need any guitar fix. It's raw. If it's, it's going to sound as good as I can play it. If it sounds bad, it's because I didn't practice enough, and I can manipulate it in any way that I can. I just like the Bumi based sound of that guitar that just resonates. You know, when I play it, it vibrates from my fingertips to my forearms to my shoulders into my chest, and it's like a whole their body experience when I play it. Ah, and that's what keeps me going

spk_0:   47:49
and it's It's always so inspiring to watch people who love what they do, doing what they do, whether it yeah, whether it's playing music, whether it's speaking at the university, whether it's being an engineer like again man like, That's why I really wanted Thio. Just have this done like in person.

spk_1:   48:08
Thank you. Here. I think you got something This project has is very, very cool. It's very vehicle. That's what I really wanted to do. And when you sent me the message last night asking me if I if I was kidding, do it remotely. My first thought was my heart dropped the first. That was No. I'm gonna make time for his because I could make a work Where's casing? And it will make it work remote. It's all good, but I think to make to give this this episode what it deserves to make sure that it will impact the listeners you know the most is when we do it in person because it's just a whole different vibe when you do it remotely.

spk_0:   48:55
Yeah, it'll come down to it, though, where I won't need to have guests on remotely make some I'm moving soon but

spk_1:   49:04
by that time, and you would have already figured it out.

spk_0:   49:06
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

spk_1:   49:09
it's all good

spk_0:   49:10
opportunities. But yes, what would you say, Mento? The person who is faced with seizing an opportunity, whether it's something professional in their career or personal, like within their own life and they're too scared to go and to go after it? How would you motivate someone like that?

spk_1:   49:29
I wish I could answer you like Richard Branson, Richard Branson said. If on opportunity came, say yes and figure it out later. I wish I could give you that answer. I like that coat, but I don't follow that quote, at least not all the time. At least not 100%. The engineer in me would right. It would create a spreadsheet in his head and write the pros and cons. I think that's the most practical. That's safest thing you do. But just like anything else in life, there's always risk as long as. And here's want to tell people if the opportunity works out. If that excites you, the excitement of it working out overrides fear of failing covert, especially if the worst thing that could happen to you is to keep you where you are currently. Then you haven't really lost anything. Go for it. Is it our committees? Akon, remember, one of the great scientists of the past one said we regret the things that we didn't do as opposed to the things that we didn't do. And 80 years from now, when I'm on my deathbed, I'm sure I'll be reflecting on the life that I've had. I want to keep that regret to the minimum. You know, as always, in my heart, I've weighed the pros and cons. There's always going to be fear involved, because if this thing doesn't scare you, then you're not really seizing them. You know you're not changing anything, right? As long as you thought it through. You don't need to overkill it. Make the jump.

spk_0:   51:22
Have you heard of Virgin Cola? No. Virgin Cola was a venture that Sir Richard Branson head. So we've heard of Virgin Airlines in Virgin Collector Drink the Virgin Cola. All right. So he tried entering the beverage industry. He introduced Virgin Cola and that bond that failed. Yeah. So that failure that he had that's probably going to be much bigger than any sort of failure you and I would ever face both. Like financially reputation Aly emotionally like that sort of failure would just take a chunk out of you and to know that he failed at something so dressed. The And yet his throw experiences so much success in his life. Not only success, but he also looks like he's happy and his fulfilled. I think it's it's quite fitting that you brought him up because he would serve as an inspiration to know that you can fail like that. Bad, Yeah, but still come out the other side and still be happy with your life.

spk_1:   52:25
Absolutely, man, like the thing that we got taught in school is don't fail. Stay away from failure. Feel is a bad thing. If you fail, people laugh at you. And I wish we could change that for the next generation of kids because failure obviously we want to prevent it. But we shouldn't teach kids to avoid failure to the point to not even try, because it's only a failure. If you leave it at that, you only have to make it once, You know I don't have to make it. Once I've got so many stories off me failing at a speaking engagement. I've got so many stars of me feeling your music and I'm thankful for those you know when I will go back them. When I was still dreaming about music speaking, you know, all of these stuff that I'm able to do now and to read these books. I I watched these YouTube videos. They those successful people say the same thing. Keep going. It's okay to fail as long as you learn to listen in my head. I remember I was thinking, Yeah, he's easy for you to say that because you've already crossed the line. You've already achieved it. But for me, I'm scared. So you know, I don't want to do it. But I would say as almost you've done your homework Frozen con stable, that spreadsheet in your head make the jump

spk_0:   53:47
spoken like a true engineer. I couldn't I couldn't avoid it. You ever like when faced with a decision like do that that flow chart? If yes, then that if no this suddenly

spk_1:   54:02
subtly in my I don't I don't draw it out. I don't I don't draw it out. I don't think I've ever done it, but yes, and I'm very conscious of it. And that's just part off what you should be doing. You try to play as many scenarios in your head as possible because you don't want them, you know, under prepare. But yeah, I do that in my head.

spk_0:   54:28
If you were able to go back and Simon change anything when your life would you, Um

spk_1:   54:33
and I ask myself that question, that question. Every day there'll be a couple of decisions here and there that I change. Definitely. You know, I But I'm careful in wishing that because I'm perfectly aware off the blessings that I am receiving every single day, so I make sure I'm care. I'm careful when I wish for going, being able to go back in time, changing decisions, because who knows, if it wasn't for those failed decision's wrong decisions, I probably won't be here today. And also, not everyone gets the chance, gets the opportunities that I'm able to enjoy. So, uh, yeah, surely there will be a few decisions that I that I would like to read a or revisit, but the best thing I could do now is find someone faced with that decision and tell them what I did. Tell them what I wish I could do and make them make that decision because that's probably something I didn't have back then. That's why in my head I made their own decision.

spk_0:   55:50
You? What are you learning exactly? That's the l learned lessons.

spk_1:   55:54
You want to learn as much as possible? Uh, every day I learned it, You know, at work I have I worked with three mentees overwork. These air young grads that have, you know, young engineers, very talented, very engaged, you know, shout out to Christian Raj in action. Those three mentees that I work with it earlier Italy my career I realized, you know, you don't you don't You're never You're never too young to be a mentor Like what you're doing now has you could be a mentor to someone who is in space aspiring to be a podcaster. Right? And there's always something that you can impart in someone. That transfer of knowledge excites me because somewhere in the universe someone is probably preparing to teach me something too. So I don't want that knowledge that I have to just stay with me Because that's not what we're supposed to be doing in life. I have to. You have to pay for it. That's, you know, I get instagram messages all the time off. People seeking motivation seeking advice, Bob and And I give him this advice when they follow the advice and thankfully, it works out. You know what they told me? They go our Thanks, Terrence. I owe you one. I said no, no, no. You don't owe me one. You owe someone else one and that someone else is having a hard time right now. So you go find someone, eagles, you go find that someone else who's having a hard time, and then you do to him what I may have done to you. You don't owe me anything. But you owe that soul something. That's how we grow. We pay for it. You don't You don't pay back because it just stays with us.

spk_0:   57:57
Like all like, feedback loop. And that's exactly

spk_1:   57:59
it. Just, you know, it doesn't really No, we don't. You don't pass on what you were given.

spk_0:   58:06
How much better would the world be if we weren't the kids to each other? Ah, yeah. I

spk_1:   58:11
know it would be so much better. You know, like engineers. I'm an engineer, but you get the odd engineer who isn't very friendly. Uh, and you know, you wish that they weren't like that. The flip side of that dealing with that makes me a better person because they make me realize the same person that I don't want to be. And that allows me to change my ways. That allows me to, you know, reevaluate the things that I didn't like about myself and be a better person and then passed that forward to someone else. One of my men tours at work said, Ideally, you wanna learn a lesson by not making that mistake. It will make mistakes. But if he could learn the lesson by not having made that missing, there'll be so much better, right? And it's just part of the reason why I do. Mentoring a work is made a lot of mistakes. And if you could just prevent that person from, like tripping more stepping on a landmine, that'd be good. And for you to be able to do that, then you know you don't want to be a dick. It

spk_0:   59:29
I think being able to find a good mentors. Quite a big

spk_1:   59:32
thing. Absolutely. I That's one of the things I was back in July. I was interviewed by the University of Oregon. They created this video to promote engineering, and by the grace of God, they chose B, too. They chose me to be featured in that video. They asked me these questions. They asked me about the band, similar what we're doing right now. It was like an interview, and they really stayed on the topic of mentoring two things. People kind of sensationalized mentoring as this big title that they want to have but really mentoring what is mentally it's just teaching someone us. Our parents are probably our first ever mentors. You know, anyone could be a mentor. Make sure you're teaching the right stuff.

spk_0:   1:0:17
It is imported,

spk_1:   1:0:18
but anyone could be a men's or a zone. Is your intentions pure? You could be a mentor to anybody, and that mentee will then become the men toward to the next one to the next one. And the Manti doesn't even have to be someone younger.

spk_0:   1:0:35
Could be anyone.

spk_1:   1:0:36
It could be absolutely anyone.

spk_0:   1:0:39
I've seen the stats on some of these episodes bar and it gives me a breakdown off. The age of the listeners is a couple men that are like there's a few listeners actually who are in the 65 over age. Breck. It's somewhat men. No wonder he's going back to this. Yeah, and I just think about the experiences that that person would have had in their life and when they're listening to their pursuit and they think, Yeah, I went through that exact same thing and I remember feeling too scared to pursue this. Uh, like, That's the whole point off to Passion Project just to pay forward man. And that inspired the thing I

spk_1:   1:1:17
loved. I wish more people did this man. I listen to podcasts all the time. When I'm at the gym, I almost don't listen to music because it's, you know, it's like meditation. I want to exercise the body and the mind at the same time. I've listened to your podcast thio multiple times, right in the car. It's just a beautiful platform to absorb knowledge. The past knowledge I really like. What you're doing here is

spk_0:   1:1:48
Thanks, man. That means a lot, but it's actually quite humbling. There's all because it's not very often that, um this is not something that I've done before men and, you know, just being able to share positivity and inspire people to cultivate their passions and to stay motivated and making their dreams come true. I think the whole pod casting thing is it's a new wave, Men, it is, you wave.

spk_1:   1:2:11
It is. It's great, though. Podcast, because you you can you could be multi tasking and still absorbing this. But imagine how many lives will get to touch by, you know, if you carry on with this hopefully many more, many more, right? And it's if you did the thing, though, that people are so scared to start mentoring because they feel like they haven't achieved it yet. So they feel like they haven't earned the right to mentor. But I look at it a different way. I look at it as like this. I want to mentor someone while I'm still doing while I'm still on that journey, because everything that I say makes it more real makes more genuine because I say it and they see me undergo that they see me do the things that I've just told them. They should be the world, you know. And because of that, it sticks with him, or rather than just something they read, or rather than something they heard. Yeah, that's what was it It's caught rather than thought they catch you seeing. They catch you doing it in that When I when I made that realization that convinced me that. Okay, I'm I don't need to be 50 years old before I start mentoring. It could be too late. Could be too late by then.

spk_0:   1:3:36
I think also, it's more impactful to the minty when the advice of the mentor is coming from a place that's close both in time and in proximity. Like Hal often are you gonna listen to, like a someone who is so much more senior than you? Because, you know, although they may have such like good in great wisdom, it sort of just hard to relate to that sort of advice because off the whole age difference, I mean, it's just the number and you know it Sze just another barrier that we give ourselves or another point off friction. But im again, I just think it is much easier toe. Listen to someone who's a little bit closer in age. You can relate to that Mormon.

spk_1:   1:4:24
That's the exact mindset that I have. When I do these talks at university, I go in there and they don't see me as someone who is 10 15 years older, even though I probably am

spk_0:   1:4:39
10 years older than them or than

spk_1:   1:4:41
most of them. But because we look kind of young ish,

spk_0:   1:4:46
Asian done raising me.

spk_1:   1:4:52
So that's one thing. So they look at your neck. All right, Cool. Maybe I'll listen to this guy because he looks like he's He looks like he's in the same wavelength as me. But also when I talked to them, I don't over. Well, I don't overwhelm them with Do this, do that. You know, I achieved this edge of that. You know you want it, you want to get You know what you want to get into there mind frame. You know, their mindset, and that's that's how you really touch them, you know, otherwise he'll just fall asleep and then, yeah, you probably lost the guy that will solve cancer one day, years away.

spk_0:   1:5:34
Where can people find you online?

spk_1:   1:5:35
I'm very active on Facebook. I'm very active on Facebook. I'm even more active on Instagram. I think the best platform to find me is instagram because I I do take check my messages. I make an effort to check my messages. I make an effort to reply to people, uh, for my profession. From professional point of view. I'm also active. Arlington. My Post and Lincoln is for a different audience, though, but the theme is the same. So about engineering's all about liking what you do. Loving what you do is about music sometimes and just mentoring and speaking engagements. But the short answer Instagram

spk_0:   1:6:19
What's your instagram hand the

spk_1:   1:6:20
lions A Gram handles is Terry Boy T E r I b o I. You can search for my name to a Terrence Bosco T e double r E N c e by a tear boy. It's It's short. It's sweet, it's memorable. I'll

spk_0:   1:6:39
trick that does

spk_1:   1:6:40
the trick. You'll find me easily

spk_0:   1:6:42
and forgo. Where can we find frogs? Music,

spk_1:   1:6:44
flags? Music is on all streaming platforms. They could think of Spotify, Apple music, Google play

spk_0:   1:6:53
the important ones. A Napster action. That's the way we uploaded the

spk_1:   1:7:01
aggregator said. I know Napster's included right. I have never listened to our song with Napster, but I'll I believe that. And you can also find Fargo on Facebook and Instagram. That's if you e g o that. Yes, sir. Where? Gogol's Flame or fire in Spanish. So our instagram handlers we are Frago n Zed or N Z represent? Yeah. Uh, yeah. You can find us on Facebook as well. Just type in forgo. You'll find us. You'll find a logo. It's actually the burning bush, the burning tree. But the trunk is like F, and the leaves are kind of orange because it's burning. It's recognizable. Hopefully, uh, but yeah, that's where you find this.

spk_0:   1:7:53
So the people listening, man like follow Terrence, be ready to be inspired and motivated and uplifted. Uplifted man,

spk_1:   1:8:03
there's our man. Shall we do it every day? We pay it forward. It doesn't stay with us. We paid forward. Release it to the world.

spk_0:   1:8:11
That's the one that again borrow. Thanks so much for scheduling this in into that. Your hectic calendar. This'll e. I will move heaven and earth to make this happen before you fly. Oh, man. I see

spk_1:   1:8:27
where? Where that it takes to do. Last night I said I'm ready. Cheesed in that. What's that? Thursday night. You say the word has Thank you for having me. Man. This is extremely flattered.

spk_0:   1:8:39
Thank you. Thank human. Awesome. Rosa. Best on Biggs. Grow legs, man.