In this episode I sit down with Rhyss-Liam Lee who shares with me a little bit of an insight into his experiences as an actor and a model in the entertainment industry. He discusses how important it is to stay true to who you are as a person, not only in an industry where conformity to the mainstream status quo is demanded, but also life in general. You are the only you in this world, and the impact that you have around your environment is unique, precious and invaluable. Rejection is an occupational hazard in his line of work, and constantly being faced with this would obviously have some sort of effect on you. Overcoming this is the key to success in whatever pursuit you have!
He also shows me a little bit of his vulnerability and opens up about the sacrifices that his mother made for him and his little brother, and how these sacrifices have allowed him to pursue his own Passion Project.
In this episode I sit down with Rhyss-Liam Lee who shares with me a little bit of an insight into his experiences as an actor and a model in the entertainment industry. He discusses how important it is to stay true to who you are as a person, not only in an industry where conformity to the mainstream status quo is demanded, but also life in general. You are the only you in this world, and the impact that you have around your environment is unique, precious and invaluable. Rejection is an occupational hazard in his line of work, and constantly being faced with this would obviously have some sort of effect on you. Overcoming this is the key to success in whatever pursuit you have!
He also shows me a little bit of his vulnerability and opens up about the sacrifices that his mother made for him and his little brother, and how these sacrifices have allowed him to pursue his own Passion Project.
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I do apologize for some of the audio during this episode we recorded in an open office floor with a few people walking around and taking phone calls. And what now? So please bear with that as there are mad, mad, mad pearls of wisdom that were dropped during this episode. So please, uh, please have patience with that. Obviously, I'm now here in the Philippines. I've been here for the past six weeks, and I'm thoroughly enjoying my time here. But I'm missing my farmer. So march I tried a video. Call them as much as I can. But sometimes the Internet isn't as reliable is what I'm used to. So I can get quite frustrating at times by yo honestly give you a final, the other high that you can as often as you can. If there's one thing I wish I could do right now, it would be to give my mom a big ass frickin hug, just a bit of admin before we get on with the episode, though, if you want to support to passion project, the best thing that you can do to help me out is to follow or subscribe to the podcasts and to share it with just one friend, you're able to listen to the show on Spotify, Google podcasts, apple podcasts, YouTube and even on your Web browser. This is the first time I've recorded a whole episode here in the Philippines and I've been having such an amazing time. I've been able to reconnect with family members that I haven't spoken to in years, and I've met some amazing people and I've been blessed with new friendships. I've even mentioned scored them job while I'm waiting for school to start, which I will be talking about in the future episode. So please, please, please, please, please stay tuned because I'm experiencing so much positivity in love right now, and I just wanna be able to share it with you all. In this episode, I sit down with Reese Lee, who shares with me a little bit of an incitement, his experiences as an actor and the model in the entertainment mystery. He discusses how important it is to stay true to who you was a person. Not only in an industry were conformity to the main streams that is closed, demanded, but also, you know, just life in general. you are the only you in this world, and the impact that you have around your environment is unique. It's precious, and it's invaluable. Rejection is an occupational hazard in his line of work and constantly being faced with this, so obviously have some sort of effect on you. Overcoming this is the key to success in whatever pursuit that you have. He also shows me a little bit off his vulnerability. And he opens up about the sacrifices that his mother made for him and his little brother and how these sacrifices have allowed him to pursue his own passion project cured afar notes in the coats of cards. My name is his Ron Alban. And welcome to a passion project to passion Project is a podcast aimed at those people who are wanting to take that first step towards making it happen. Thank you so much for tuning in. And I hope you enjoy the show. Do you bring all that here from? Yeah, I brought it all with me, but I was in my hand, Kerry, because my, um my luggage was too heavy. Well, so I had to put it in my hand. Carry
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a ll of the, um, all of the gear
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Yemen and on display that came up on the the X rays X rays bar. And I saw all these wires that zit or that kind of doggy a little dream that you're that was funny about it. But I'm I am in that These are the money makers, so I had to bring it with me. Yeah. Official. That's it, brother. What's up? We're in Manila. I know. Recording this them for God. I think.
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I think that was something that I mentioned Alia this evening where it was like if you had told me, like, six years ago that we were gonna be a Manila recording a point cost. I think you have been talking out of your
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ass straight outta my ass. And, like, who would have thought that we'd be where we get a posse or think? Yeah, 50 floors up. I know. I know. The view is
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incredible. So I'm really I'm really honored to be one of the first to experience it,
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and, well, I just want the first thing I'll say, Thank you so much for giving me your time in coming through, because I know you just got to Manila this morning?
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Yeah, Yes, I flew in from Apollo. And after being there for about a week and and enjoying that, so but yeah, no. Also, man, thank you for having me.
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How does it feel? Sort of being like in the homeland.
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Um, I think like for me personally, it's It's this sense of rejuvenation. Like, I think if you're like, most people will come and visit for, you know, the tourism, all the things that, like, sort of they want to see the sightseeing in the experience. But for me, sometimes it's just a matter of just being grounded in the place, resetting my values, resetting my morals, coming back and sort of learning new things like I've been the Philippines plenty of times. But this is the first time I've ever been toe like Paul Owen. And you know, it's things like that when you meet new people and you meet new experiences that you never thought you'd ever have in a country that you've been to a 1,000,000 times. So for me, yes, just like getting grounded, grounded in it'll
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Yeah, there's a lot of the people who listen to the podcast. They know. Like why I'm here. Yeah. Tow, like chase down this dream. Yeah. And also, it says I reconnect with my roots. Bo. When? When The podcast was just still a concept. Yeah, I messaged you, like, straight away. Right? And you were one of the first people that I had wanted to get into the show. They sent me a screenshot from this list of people that I wanted to get on your soul. Your name? They burn your little houses. Yeah. What is this? One of the questions that I really wanted? Thio sort of ask you both. And we already talked about it over dinner tonight. But it was to do with, you know, your mom leaving the Philippines Thio raise you and your brother. So what I wanted to get at man was, you know, the sacrifices that she had made for you and and and for your family. But like, what? Opportunities have arisen because of that. Like what? What? What? What? I guess chances have presented themselves to you. And what have you made out of the
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Yeah, of course. I mean, like like for those who obviously don't know me and that'll Listening like my mom. Um, so I'm half Filipino, half struggling, and I am. I lost my dad when I was about nine, and that was pretty much the turning point in which my mom sort of Because my whole life I've spent looking at my dad is like the father figure out the man of the house and that sort of thing. So that was sort of expectation I lived up to, and if I was to be completely honest, it was like, I didn't really look at my mom for much other than the person who fed me Pretty much so the moment that my dad passed it was it was this sudden turning point where I started to see qualities in this woman that I had probably for like, nine years of my life never paid any attention to, um, that just blew my mind. And she was taking on, obviously, like the burden of both her husband and a wife on trying to be a father and a mother for a newborn and myself on guy think she sacrificed so much to sort of bring us over. And I know a lot of other Filipinos and immigrants wouldn't understand. This is where you know they sacrificed so much to bring you to a country. But then their options become limited because of the rules of that country. So they're forced to do jobs that they may not have studied or forced to do things that they may not enjoy. But they do it for the sake of the future generations. So she's always thinking 10 steps ahead. And that's what I really admire about my mom. So for her, too pretty much pave that way for me and my brother, you know, putting us through school. I'm thankful. Australia, I think, is one of the greatest countries in the world. So I think it's been
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sickened to New Zealand. Debatable. It's like New Zealand.
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I find New Zealand is like Australia's little
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brother, Eastern Australia, the little
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brother that that's on the side all the time. But no, I just I just think she created such a an opportunity for us. You know, I've seen plenty of kids who have been given the opportunity since day one. You know, they're born in Australia there, Bean raised a certain way and yet they still fall off the path that you know most kids dream off, you know, s o for my mom to be able to bring my brother and I to a country. That one. She barely knew the language off Bailey new And even to this day, she's been living in Australia for a rat, like 25 years now, 26 years. And she still doesn't know half the things that go on in that country. And I'm sure a lot of people can relate to that. But it's just that whole idea of she was willing to put us off outside of her comfort zone. Andi, I think that sort of paved the way for what I saw growing up because to me, watching her, you know, like, for one example that I have that that really stuck out to me is that she used to have this friend who told her that at the age of 50 she couldn't learn how to drive. You're too old, like, you know, that's ridiculous. Why would you even bother? But my mom knew that by having a car by having a license, she would be able to provide for me and my brother take us to places you know to school. Take us to events that we normally couldn't attend. So she put herself on the line and she did the classes learn the lessons. Gonna Pie's got a full license. And now she drives all by herself. Andi, she's my mom's always been independent, so I think that's where that's that stems from, Um, but another example is that after that she had never been to unit before. So university was also out of reach for her growing up in ah, a small province with you No, no money next to no money at all. So after achieving the license and the driving and all of that, she ended up graduating with the certificate from uni in dressmaking. So she's like a seamstress by nature, so she knows how to just basically So anything under the sun. Um, but for her, she just basically set up this pathway for me and my brother as an example of someone who never let age, never let language never let anything that people told her stop her from achieving like what she wanted to achieve. And I think that paved the way for me as ah as an actor as a someone who wants to do modeling and things like that, like someone who is a creative I would call myself more than anything, um, t step outside those boundaries and not be boxed in just because, you know, for example, your half fee or, you know, you're not really that talented in music or you're not that good looking. It's like, But who are you to restrict me? You know, when I think anyone who's listening to this should feel that in anything that they try to achieve is that don't let people box you into something just because their perception off it is limited, You know what I mean? Like, they're only saying what they can perceive, and that isn't your perception of what you can achieve. You know what I mean? So you can definitely do a whole lot more that you put your mind to, um and I think she really set that up. Sorry, that was like that. That's how I think that she really paved the way for us later.
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And that's the whole episode. But you were telling me earlier about how you know she sacrificed obviously so much you know, all these things that you just laid out for you and reflecting on sort of your own life, for You told me earlier that, you know, if she was able to sacrifice all that so should idea. What is that? Sacrifices? Well, for for my pursuits. So you were alluding to it earlier. Acting modeling. Um, you got a bit of a funny story about, you know, a few hours before we met. What happened then? Yeah,
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Like I think. Um, So I just before we met up, I obviously went Tiu Tiu, one of the agencies here in Philippines, just to see what it was all about. Like, maybe get a little
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bit of a signature
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going and that sort of thing. But, yeah, I rocked up in, like, the most bomb
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ass of bootleg like clothing. Oh, I was wearing Chanel us, like for those who
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don't know, man, I was wearing thongs or slippers. Do column, Jack, Gentle, gentle, rocked up in that and longs. Yeah, I had, like, rolled up jeans and a button shit. That was like, I literally look like I just coming off like the beach was going, Um, and this is like a modeling agency. These, like assumes. I walked in there half. He's everywhere, you know. So, um, for me to go in there and just be myself to me, that was probably one of the first times that I've ever sort of just done that for me, because in the path I have conformed to the way that they need you to be all the way that they want to see you. But I've also been told consistently that you should show something unique about yourself or you should present yourself as you are, right? It's like, you know, like in God's way, like, you know, come as you are, you know, And you're not gonna be judged any less low anymore, right? So it's that idea of like, I just rocked up and like, spoke to them, Did my thing, got shots done and like one of the dudes was like, just shocked that I had, like, thongs on like the hell he's like market bite, my Jenny unless
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you know what I mean. Like that. That idea of like like that? That's what
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I find it so funny is that you know the first thing that they saw was my physical appearance right that they they judged me already on that. And I think that's a crucial lesson to learn, like in any field. It's not just the creative field, but in anything where you place judgment based on someone's outer appearance or the way that they present themselves. It's like Steve Jobs, right? Or Bill Gates like they wear the same things, like over and over and over. And the reason for that is because the aim is to be rich, not to look rich, right? And it's another certain there's another quote that I know, but I forgot who said it. But it's basically like you judge the part, like if you see how the person judges the waiter, it's kind of like how they will judge everybody else. So it's kind of like if you see how they treat someone who you know, may have a retail job or something like that, if you see them, treat them terrible. You know, just because they treat someone who's higher up with respect doesn't mean that's genuine, you know what I mean? So for me, I think growing up in Australia, being a Filipino who you know, as a culture, Philippines is very, you know, prideful in how they dress and how they present themselves. You know, if they have tradition and things like that, they want to carry that tradition on that balance between that plus the Australian and may, I think, has allowed me to be a little bit more open, like I love Channel a spur. Like I love shorts. Like, if I
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you in a full stray on you rock that I did. I did. I was using
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my accent, like, How's it going? Yeah, I'm here. I'm here to do what I like thing, and
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not because it's Lang had had.
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And I find it gets Tico. And I'm like, in Philippines, like, I don't even sound like this when I'm,
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you know, the French yourself, right? Like you just said
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I do. And I feel like that's something that that does turn heads on bits, not about getting attention or anything, but it is showing that Hey, I'm not just another half American, half like Filipino or whatever or I'm not just another person looking for fame. I'm someone here who this is who I am. This is how I'm presenting myself on, and I think that work for something. One thing I was taught when I entered the acting industry by a lot of my teachers is that there is always a role for every single person on this planet. It doesn't matter if you're the ugliest or the prettiest or the like, the smartest or not the most smartest, like there's always gonna be a role suited for you. You just haven't found it yet. And I think that goes for, like, purpose in life as well, right? Everybody has a purpose. Everybody has a pot to play. And it may not be, you know, front and center, like at the front of everything in our leading man leading woman. But if it wasn't for your role, that leading person won't shine. You know what I mean? So it's like when you're on a film crew. Sorry, A film set with a film crew. Every single person is crucial all the way up until the runner as well, you know, And I get taught this going into this industry that you got to treat the runner with respect, right? This person just runs your things back and forth, but you got to treat them with Justus. Much respect as you do the director, because what will happen one day is that runner may become a director. And if they remember how you treated them, then you may have a long lasting Korea, right? It may continue, you know. And you're saying this before when we're together, It's like, you know, you've got to give back. You've gotta you've gotta pay it forward. When someone offers you a kind gesture, it doesn't have to be the exact same. It doesn't have to be the same person, But you just pay it forward however you can on going back to your question. I think that's how my mom has sort of set that precedent as well for us, because no matter what she had to endure to make sure that we could go to school and we could eat and we could do all these things. She always paid it forward. You know, she would always try to help her family and Philippines. She would always send Malik Bhai on boxes like, you know, like it didn't matter how much money she had. She knew that she always had to take care off her family because that was the role she was given. She that was her purpose. So I think that's where I think I get a lot of my acting sort of motivation from, um, because I don't know how, like some journeys go. But my personal acting journey started as an extra right, so I I did extra work. I was the guy in the background. I was the guy that you never paid any attention to that sort of thing. So I went from that to someone who did get speaking roles and did get paid rolls. And now I'm doing, you know, leading work in short films and things like that. And I'm very, very thankful and fortunate enough to have some films in, like film festivals and things like that. So it just shows, like when you when you pay it forward, you know, you never know how far it's gonna take you say
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in terms of the be yourself piece, which obviously did come out this afternoon with your bloody jangles your song. Yet I think that's actually still so important because with the industry that you're and there is a lot of conformity as you mentioned as well and within the acting and modeling industry. I you know, I'm not a part of it, but I do feel like there is a certain recipe that one would have to follow for success. Oh, my God. Yes, yes. Oh, just going back to that being yourself. But again by like, how important do you reckon that is? Toe To stay true to who you are too straight to stay true to tear your brand and your product in an industry that tells people you know, you need to jump this high yet for success. Yeah, well, see, this is the
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thing, I think when when there's an industry that sets a particular point like a standard or a baseline in what you should be achieving. For example, if it's the beauty industry, you should look like this so you should act like this or if it's an acting, it's like this is the type of school you're supposed to have gone to. What, Not right when they said that, that doesn't mean that that's the only way to get to it, right? And going back to what I was saying about being an extra. I started off as an extra right. Most actors that I know went to a professional acting school like I was just getting a feel for it before I was an extra. I just did YouTube videos, you know what I mean? So, like, for me, I've always sort of surrounded myself with that, and I think that has shaped who I am. For me, being yourself when you're pursuing your dreams is probably the biggest reward you could give yourself. Because if you're entering an industry, for example, that's an acting industry or modeling or whatever it may be. If you're not yourself, then you're discrediting the hard work you put into it because then you're not doing it for who you are. You're not doing it for the type of person that you want to become right. You're doing it for this image that everybody else has a view, and I think that's like and it's the biggest insult. You know what I mean? Because there is only one of you. Even if you're a twin, there's only one twin that will look like that, right? And when you go in like I obviously talk from an acting and modeling industry because I don't know too many of the other industries out there. But I think the entertainment industry as a whole is one of the biggest judgmental, sort of nit picky type of industry that you can ever enter right, because there's always gonna be a floor. They'll find it like that to their job because they want you to be the best that you can be and what people fall into the trap of doing is they start to conform. As you were saying, they conformed to the idea that, oh well, if I'm not as tall as that person or if I'm not as hot as that person or if I'm not doing or traveling as much as that person, then I'm failing. I think that's so wrong, because everybody moves at a different pace. And don't compare your level one to someone's Level 50 right? I used to compare. I still compare myself to plenty of people, right, and I'm sure there are people that compare themselves to make right, and then that's because they see what I post. They see how I'm progressing in life, but they don't know that I spent 15 years of my life behind the scenes trying to make that happen from scratch, right? And they may have just been starting. And sometimes I get jealous of those people because they will start. And within a year they have 10,000 subscribers. Well, within a year the landing modeling contracts left, right and centre and they're modeling for big brands, you know what I mean? So it's like you can't conform to what someone else is. Journey is like because it goes back to the purpose thing and being yourself, everybody is unique, right? And if you be yourself and you, you really a genuine it's like when, for example, when I do my acting stuff right, If I know the script off by heart, find out every word. If I know when I should be bringing emotion into it, I am more confident going into the audition room I'm or confident portraying the role that I need to portray right on that same for life, right? So when you're going into life, if you know who you are, you know what you can offer and what you bring. It's it's gonna be so much easier for you to be authentic in whatever it is you do. It's not gonna be everyone's cup of tea. I think that's the mistake that people think is that if I just fit this template, everyone will love me. But even the most loved people on social media in the entertainment industry are the most hated. Justin Bieber has been really hated, you know, even Rebecca Black, like she's been the most hated, You know what I mean? Like it's It's insane that you would have to put yourself in a position where you have to live up to everybody else's expectations. I'm very thankful that my mom, despite coming from this background of poverty and struggling and never finishing college or doing any of that stuff, doesn't force the idea of becoming a nurse or, you know, the typical Filipino jobs right on me. I think that has been the biggest help. It took a lot of convincing. I won't lie like we've had arguments. When I was growing up about what career path I wanted to go down, but at the end of the day, I think my mom was more concerned about my happiness and fulfillment and purpose. in life and being the son that she raised me to be, then what would put money in my account Or, you know, like don't get me wrong being a nurse and all of that, like a credit to all those people who I could never do that right Because I just I'm a little bit squeamish with stuff like that. So I don't think I would be able to just sit there and, like, constantly jab a needle in someone's arm,
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every single that you know what I mean, like, it's insane,
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like and and that's what someone said to me one time they said, Like, you know, I was at work and and someone was just like talking to me about some of the shots that I had gotten done and they were like, Wow, like it's just incredible to see that, you know, you can do stuff like that and I was like, Well, you're a teacher. I was like, I think it's incredible that you're a teacher and she's like, It's nothing special like, are you kidding me? Like, I don't think I could be the type of teacher that you are because you just you're helping the youth, and you love what you do. And that takes a particular type of person, right? So it'll falls back to that whole. Like, if you be yourself, you know what you're gonna want. You're gonna be authentic and doing it, and you're gonna pick a pathway that will contribute to society or to yourself, even if you want the leading man, a leading woman.
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I remember this one time, bro. When I was a kid, I got the meningococcal shot at school, okay? And I was the 1st 1 in my class to go get it because my last name starts today and right after critical. So I walk into the nurse's office, you know, acting real tough. What have been around seven or eight. I get the shot, and I will across the school yard a big, swaggering along boy pants. Okay. And because I was walking to school yard, you know, little school crush was out there waiting. So here I am. I notice her looking along yet I collapse because, like, I don't like needles, man. Yeah. Um, So I fell down yet and I was knocked out in front of the school crush Dan. Everybody's where's nightmare, right? So what I want to get out with that man is obviously like there will be times where you just completely cake it and you fall down and you failed or like, special, and especially in an industry that urine bro were a lot of very audition bass, huh? I'm guessing you get more rejections than yeses, right? Yes, 100%. How do you deal with that? But truly that will take some sort of toll on you to be told most so many times.
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Yeah, it does. And that's the thing. I think a lot of people don't understand about the creative journey, right? This isn't just about acting in auditions like this is rejection in all types of forms. Whether it be, you know, you're a musician and you're trying to get a gig, a solo gig at a bar or, you know you're an artist and no one will buy your painting or put it on display. Rejection comes in so many different forms, and I think we as humans, are trained to accept rejection like we live in a society now where it's much cooler to be part of the crowd than it is to be unique and an individual. And I think when it comes to rejection in particular, whenever someone gets rejected, you have thio. It's like a crucial turning point. Every single rejection is a crucial turning point because it's like if you get like for example, let's put it in layman's terms, if you have a job, you apply for a job. You get rejected from the job, right? Do you sit there and you think, Wow, Was I not good enough for the job? I have this degree. I have this experience like screw them. This is what like, Do you hate the world for that? Or do you apply for another one? You know what I mean? Like, that is what I like to say is that the time that people spend complaining about certain problems is the time they could have spent trying to fix will figure out why it didn't work right. And in acting like I don't even know how many auditions I've been too right. And this is a ll dating all the way back to when I was an extra, because when you were an extra sometimes you did go to things that would be, like, not so much in addition, but it would be like you'd go with a group of people. And that's sort of figure out which ones are good for the role or like your agency will pick out ones that they think will be good rights. You are put into a pool as you get further and further along the line. You do start to go to auditions. And hearing no for the first time was like the most painful thing. You know what I mean? Because when you're in that situation, right, you're stuck between this thought process of Do I let it go and just perform, give it my all and see where it takes me right? Or do I? I think this is lame and stupid and like, What am I doing? This is the dumbest idea. Revel and I've been in that situation so many times, and there have been times where I wish I had worked harder. And there are times where I wish like I wasn't a stupid right. At the end of the day, I still got rejected. Even the most talented actors that exist out there still get rejections, right? And it's not because and this is something I think people need to really know. That's super important. Is that it's like I said before. Not every role is for you. It doesn't mean there isn't one for you, though. So I've gone into auditions, auditioning for roles that they would get occasional what dude to play. I'm half white fur
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like there's no chance I'm gonna,
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like, get that role, you know what I mean? And I think acceptance of that will put you five steps ahead of everybody else. You know, there is nothing in life that comes and goes more painfully than the rejection. You know what I mean? Like, it just it just sits there and then it's out, and then it's there again and it's out, and that happens in everything. You don't even notice it because we're wired to think that rejections just you know it's acceptable, right? But it shouldn't be. It should be a stepping stone in the right direction, right? I've been rejected in so many different things and not just professionally but personally to write a lot of my personal YouTube videos that I've made gotten weird comments. Gotten hate like it's insane, right? And it takes a toll on you mentally, Emotionally, physically, You know, for me, I've sometimes stopped eating. Sometimes I've stopped thinking properly. Emotionally. I'm just deadpan and I don't think like anything like any sort of emotion, like nothing hits me right and it can hurt, and I can tell anyone out there who's listening that has been rejected multiple times. Do not stop, right, because if you're on the journey and you're on the path, if you'll keep like if sorry, if your rejections are still happening, it means you're still in the path. The moment you have no more rejections, it means you've stopped right? Like our hero out boy Jesus. Like he was rejected the whole time. Like growing up. You know what I mean? Didn't stop him from fulfilling his life's mission, You know what I mean? So it's just a good example off perseverance over everything legit like perseverance over everything, even if nothing seems to be going away. The worst family situation, the worst job situation, the worst career situation stick through it because if you don't, then that's that. That is your last point not off 10. You know what it means.
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I think one of the worst rejections that you could ever face in your life is the point where you've rejected yourself and you say, Man, this is too hot. I quit. Let's imagine that man like you make it. Your life's missions have become, you know, the next Oscar winner. Yeah, yeah, And then you get rejected at the first hurdle you auditioned for your first role was an extra back under some Colgate commercial something, and they tell, you know, because of toothless, crooked. Yeah, and quickly that would be the hottest rejection to deal with because there's a There is a lot of like there is a lot off. There's a culture of like self loathing and self hate, which is why there's a lot of so many social media possible. You love yourself self love than you. People are here to try and motivate each other and stuff like that. You also talking a bit about feeling tired mentally, mentally, physically and all that. So, in terms of burnout, men like, how would you deal with that? You know, especially being so tired in addition to all these knows. Yeah, Burnout. That was something that you wanted to bring up over dinner. And I was like, You know what? It's because I want to bring this up, But you tell us what will tell us a little bit about that.
spk_1: 33:23
Yeah, I think like, well, touching on the point that you were saying before about, like, sort of self rejection. I think that is a super important self analysis that people miss right. People like to hear what other people say, but no one ever like, sits down and actually like Like, it's an exercise that anyone could do. You could literally sit down and just look at yourself in the mirror for like, a minute, right? It gets awkward because you start your I start wondering and you can't sit there and just focus, right? But over time you start to notice things. You start to notice features on your face. You start to notice things in your hair. You start to notice how your throat or your mouth or your chest like moves right, and it sounds weird, but it is an exercise that you can do that. I've done plenty of times because it helps you to be self aware. Meditation is a big one, right? Self rejection happens so often in life because people don't believe in themselves. And I don't blame him. People are taught like, you know, if if it's not how society deems, it should be a k a 9 to 5 or a K A. It's not doing these a white picket fence or however society wants you to be. Then you're doing the wrong thing, You know what I mean? And people feel like that pressure. I've felt that pressure, right? I've been very hard on myself in this career, and going into burn out like when I've burnout, I think affects people differently. Right for me, the worst burnout that I've had is that I just like when I used to study at uni right and I used to do my assignments. There was the last week of union. I remember. I'll never, ever forget it. I stayed up all five days during that that week day with only three hours of sleep each night, and I was drunk. I think like eight cans of E that whole way he's broke, Yeah, bird, because I I I
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don't know, I just and I'm sure there are people
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that can relate, but I sometimes just work better under pressure. And like when I know the deadlines like tomorrow, I will just smash it out. It doesn't matter if I die. Like if he dies, he dies.
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You know what it's like for me?
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It was like I would just hustle Burr. And I think, you know, people work in different ways. So I think burnout affects them in different ways, you know? And for me, like mentally, the mental burnout is is hearing the word? No. And I think hearing that constantly and sometimes even when you go out of your way like I think we mentioned this before where I said, You know, my goal of 2019 was to get out of debt and then I doubled it. I doubled my debt. Just so I took a big gamble, right? And I paid for these shots Bird like these head shots and and these modeling photos because I was like, You know what? I need to get in the modeling as well, like I need to branch out. And that's
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ridiculous. Like who does that? Who
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doubles their debt when their year goal was to destroy their debt. Right? I do like that's crazy shit that I do, you know, like I'm willing to bend the rules for myself because at the end of the day, I'm I'm willing to accept the consequences myself, right? And I think that's the same for burnout is like if you put in the rest is so important. I don't think anyone really understands how important that is, because if you stay up even poss like 24 hours, it's like you cooked like your whole body is just completely different. Resting avoids burnout. But sometimes resting doesn't necessarily mean sleep is well, sometimes resting congest be, you know, taking a step back from what you're actually working on. Like, have you ever have you ever, like, edited a video or edited even your podcast? And you're like, all man like I'm so erect right now, So I'm gonna rest, you go away and then you come back and you're like this did not sound the way that I imagined it. Like you're like, what the hell? Like you have like a whole new fresh pair of eyes on him. I think that is an easy way to counter bone out his way. You get to just sort of step away and do something that is completely different to what you're working on. So if you're a creative, do something that's mundane and boring, right, because it just breaks that that habit off, like forcing yourself to work beyond human meat like rest is recovery. And when people don't rest and people don't recover, then they can't continue the work at 100%. And I think when I have like in the past, I have gotten burnout doing my acting because acting isn't like, you know, people's perception is like, Oh, it's the easiest job in the world Burn like you stand there or you say a couple of lines and you be emotional
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is a very big misconception exactly. It's such a
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big concern, like misconception, because I've been on sets where I've had to start at 4 a.m. Right? And this is extra work, bro. This isn't even like smiling. Well, yeah, I've done extra work. Where I've been there at 4 a.m. 4 30 a. M. Get to the trail. Are you know, signing and do my whole thing and I sit there for six hours before I'm even cold. But my cold time was like 4 a.m. Right? And I don't get cold until, like, 10 in the morning. And that's when the main actors coming. They have a better life than the extras do honestly, um, and you get cold and then you're in the scene and you standing there and it seems easy enough, But then times that by three, right? And and and then before you know it, you've been there 12 hours and then they go up. We've got more things to take, but we've got more shots to shoot. Maybe we can squeeze this in. So then you're there 15 hours, right? And you get paid by the hour, which is great. And that's what I've met. Other extras being so happy about is like, yeah, we get money, right. But as a creative that is just, like, so draining like you mentally you're dead by the end of it. And yet you're supposed to pretend like this is the happiest scene of all time. You know what I mean? So even the work itself can burn you out like just just being in the job and doing the actual role. So I think rest and recovery is super important. Um, and knowing that with yourself again self awareness, self acceptance. Because you have to figure out that no, everybody's the same. Some people can function on three hours of sleep and be 100% and others need 12 hours of sleep to be 100%. Um, yeah,
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it's everyone's different bar like that. Sometimes we're living under the lie that you know, the more hours I work in one day, you know, the better my output will be. But how good can you expect that up to be after 15 hours off slogging? And you know, like you said, you're at the beginning of that little piece You like? Yes, Six hours later, I I just got called up. And six hours later Zoonie 10:10 a.m. What the fuck? Yeah, six hours later, off the start, your days only 10 o'clock in the morning.
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I know them right now, and for most people, that's just like that's just them waking up. No, they're just having their morning coffee, whereas there's some poor extra out there like now I've stopped extra work because creatively, I find it didn't stimulate me. But it did give me an understanding of the industry and how it works. And sometimes you have to do the dirty work. Man, you have to start from the bottom. I think people and I've been guilty of this. I've definitely been guilty of this. Where I've thought, you know, maybe if I skip a few steps, maybe if I could just squeeze myself into that Well, maybe if I could just quickly put my hand up for that I can skip a few steps and end up where I wanna go, but it doesn't work that way. What ends up happening is I do skip their steps. But then when a bigger role comes on like the I don't know everything I'm doing exactly right. So then you end up falling back 10 steps and you have to start again, right? So sometimes slogan away. Like Like I said before 10 to 15 years, I've been slogging away, and it all started in my bedroom when I started making YouTube videos, right. I fell in love with filmmaking. I fell in love with acting and being silly, making people laugh. That's why I do this. I love entertaining people. I love giving them a sense of off a break from their reality because I love that, too. Like I love sitting down and watching a Siri's and just forgetting that I lived this life, you know what I mean? Andi. I think that's what everyone in the entertainment industry who were genuinely innit? There, Um, that's the same purpose that they love doing. So
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when you're really doing something purely for the love off, sometimes it is easy to work those 15 holidays yet
spk_1: 41:47
Definitely. Yeah,
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But if you're if you got your nose parked at a bloody computer screen for that amount of time, that will also do some serious damage. And I think that kind of damage when you're putting the amount of time to something where you're not emotionally invested in you, I think that could damage you a lot more than you know, doing 15 hours off extra work, even though you might You might you, even though as much as you love acting like them, imagine. Yeah, just one of the reasons why I left my job so that we could do stuff like this. Yeah. Yeah. Talk about how, How much How much there needs to be a shift in mindset. 0 100 from the top of the ladder down. Yeah, you know what I mean?
spk_1: 42:40
Yeah. Official And I think when it comes to mind set, that is that is the controlling aspect of all of this, right? Because physically, emotionally, even spiritually, you can struggle in a ll these different things. But eventually you pick yourself up, right? You know, you read the bible, you go out and you spend time in the garden or whatever. And you feel one with nature and things like that. Like those things can be recovered. But mentally, if your mindset from day one has never been in the right place, it doesn't matter how much spiritually guidance or physical gun you could have the best body in the world. But when you look in the mirror every morning, you're gonna feel like shit because you see shit. You don't feel like the way that you look right. And mindset truly is everything especially. I were talking about this before where with mindset, It also like humans. Ah, species that love group like grouping like groups, families, little CDs. That's why we have communities, like if you notice big cities that don't have communities and they're just like, you know, in there the hustle and bustle vs, like big cities that have communities or even small cities that have communities, the small cities that have communities thrive better, right? I'm from Darwin, right? And every single time I've gotten on a doll in flight. So from Melvin to Darwin to fly up everybody on, there's going to dollar and everybody's from Darwin and they all talk to each other like I've bumped into random people that I've never met in Darwin, and they suddenly just struck up a conversation with me. I never get that on any flight, literally. I sit down and there's like some grumpy old dude next to me and goes to sleep like I don't get that on any other flight but a doll in one, and that's that's a perfect example of how community makes such a difference in mindset, in personality in persona and how you present yourself to people because you have a safe space like I don't really like that word, But you have a safe area you can go back to. That doesn't judge you because it's that community. You know what I mean? Like, it's It's like a family. I
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love what you say about what you said about flying back to down that in. You strike up a conversation with someone, The plane. When you when you were telling that to me, I was thinking about the last time I foud the 2013. Yeah, and that was one of the only times. In fact, the only time that I remember ever speaking tow the person that I was sitting next to you. I I'm the kind of guy who would just sleep on the flight. I just leave me alone, like me, be in my own like seat yet, but I'm for some reason or another way. We're working up by the flight attendants because lunch is being served. And then the person that I was sitting next to you, she was she was a girl about same ages us yet, um, die. One local was Well, create the scent. Um, she asked me, though she was like going home. We're going on holiday.
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Yeah, they always asked
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was low e could be home tonight. Yeah, so Yeah, man, I just She was real friendly, but I forgot her name. Men. But I'm hurt for sure, buddy. Here, this and she's like you did on the flight. $2? Yeah. And I think like it's so true.
spk_1: 45:54
And I think like when I talk about this whole acting experience in the entertainment industry, this part like these past couple of years, I've been really in tune with trying to learn more about the human psyche in the way that people think and the way that people develop. I mean, it is part of what I do. But it's also this this sense of reasoning of why, like an acting were taught. Why? Why? Why is your character doing this? What is the purpose like we do that? Who, What, When, Where, Why sort of thing. Um, I think when you really sit down and do that yourself to to you as a person, you start to see these things that you're lacking and these things that you could improve on. And they're not things that other people see right there. The things that you see right for example, going on that conversation right like that made you feel good, right? Made you feel like our cool like this is so random. Like I've never experienced talking to someone on a plane before, right? It's they've accepted, like in that community that's normal. Like Darwin, people are very open and honest and chill on dhe, super accommodating. We used to be labeled the gateway to Asia, so we have so many different cultures there. We all grew up with at least one friend from every nation. So community is super important, touching back again on mind set, because now they're mindset is very positive, and they share that experience with random people that they meet every time they bought a plane, right, and they ask that question. It's a It's a pretty good question that's like, Are you here for holidays or visiting home? If it's for home, they ask you where, How long and what are you doing? And if it's for holiday, then they say, Oh, where you going? What haven't you done yet? How about you try this? You know, and and it builds that sense of positivity that I think we as a race are losing out on a lot because we're so judgmental now. I think people just trying to chase the fame and the fortune like, you know, I don't know if you've ever used Tic Tac, but I've looked at TIC. I've fallen in love with ticks off. It's my new vine. Um, some of them are pretty funny. Some of them are pretty cringe e, but people on there are copying each other's Tic Tac's because it's a trend because it makes them feel like they're part of a community, right? And I think that mindset of feeling, wanted and feeling needed is something that people don't give themselves the permission tohave right. They want someone else to validate that for them. No one can give you happiness other than yourself. Religion When you have two separate people, if they're happy individually, the happiness that they share together as a couple will amplify tenfold. If you have two people and one of them isn't happy and the other one is that's not a good cumber, you know what I mean? It's not gonna amplify, and it will amplify, but it won't always amplify happiness. It'll it might even get worse. You might even bring the person who's happy down with you. You know what I mean? And you don't do it intentionally. But as a community, we want to fit in. So we fit in with the emotion that will make us feel that if you're around to negative people, you know how they say that you're the average of the five people you spend the most time with. If you're with five negative people, you're gonna want to fit in, so you'll be negative too, You know what I mean? Um and I think that's the hardest part about this industry and everything is like trying to stand out from that. You know, I don't want to be like that. I want to be me. I want to own a do cool things. But how? How do I get to that? I think that's that's the question that a lot of people should be asking themselves.
spk_0: 49:31
Well, I think I think whichever way the pendulum swings for you were there different. Remember your name because you do that Bloody was handles the thing. So whether that's good or helping me, whoever's out there rodeo last time don't do what I did. I mean, whatever would have result comes through because of that. I mean, at the end of the day, it was through a victory because you didn't fake it.
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No, I felt happy afterwards, even though I might not go anywhere, you know, like it was a fun experience. And I think people forget that you can't just keep chasing things for money. You can't just keep chasing the next promotion or you can't keep chasing because if you're just chasing for the next best thing, then the next best thing will keep coming and you'll never stop chasing. You know what I mean? And that's I guess that's creative. That's what we strive for. We always want the better gear or the better, like promotion or the better. Like you know, how far can we take this podcast? Or how far can this video, How viral can it go? You know what I mean? That's the curse that creatives have. I think where is with a lot of sort of like corporate work? It's like, you know, what's the next paycheck, like, How much money can I make if I if I get a promotion on guy think learning to sort of bring that back and just doing it for the experience, right? That's why people do traveling a lot. Um, just doing it for the experience because you don't know when your time will be up. And one thing that really sticks with me just to sort of, like, round off. Everything is like, if if I was to die tomorrow, right, and I was
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gonna be done,
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I hope I don't because I still have a lot of
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like, didn't we? Oh, we Oh, she gave you so much and you're giving her dating a debt. That's
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my love. But I think you know, if you got to think if you're gonna dot tomorrow, what if you had if you had a picture book of the life that you had, right and you looked at Oldham, the moments and memories would you be happy with what you saw, right? And would you be happy knowing that you gave it everything you could ever give it? If not if that might. If that just that tiny thought isn't enough for you. Like if you feel like a man, I probably wouldn't hey or even just that one regret that you have. Then you gotta You gotta find the good stuff. You know, you to find the good life that you're living because you get you will regret it. Like people on their deathbeds regret so many things. Don't be that person. Fuck what anyone says. Sorry, but it's true. Like I don't care. Going in there with gentle Zberg like this is what I do, man. I was being myself. If they didn't like it, then fuck it. I'll find
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someone who will. So,
spk_1: 52:21
yeah, I think just just having a good time and enjoying that experience is what really makes it a memory.
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And that's the most important thing. We're just have fun with the process ts. And it's so easy. Just ah, present to the world. You know, the final product off your efforts. Not many people get to see what goes on behind the curtains, not behind the scenes and for a lot of creatives. I think that is what you know. They sort of chasing just the buzz off off, creating and getting their message out there.
spk_1: 52:58
Feeling is so good. And I think if you are a creative that's listening to this, even if you want a creative If you just love what you do, keep doing it right up. Keep doing it until you get sick of it. And then keep doing it some more. Because at the end of the day, you want to be proud of yourself, right? No one else is gonna hand you what it's like in school right now. Like you be good and they keep giving you those, like little certificate awards for like, best person in class, or like best handwriting or whatever it is. Some places have penned. License is nothing. That's ridiculous. But it's like Penn licenses and stuff we're taught to to do the best thing that we can and we'll get rewarded. But we're not doing it fast. It doesn't benefit us like it benefits the person that's giving the reward, because then they feel better about themselves. It should be you that you should be caring about focus on what makes you happy and spread that everybody else you encounter
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because you never know like you're ripe for who the who the bloody hell cares about a pin license. What if that could? Who doesn't get the pin license. What if they preferred method of communications? It was through music. Yeah, Or through putting paint on the canvas. Exactly. They don't give you licenses for for that For painting. Yeah, They don't give you license is for
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being created. They tell you it's a piece of shit. And then,
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yeah, they tell you it's not good. Do it again. Imagine the first time. You know, I could put a brush to canvas and they fall in love with you. Just the smell of the paint, the feeling of the brush on the thing. Yet you're sitting up the easel and stuff like that. And then the teacher says, That's ugly. Yeah. That kid will probably never feel that same way ever again. They're gonna take that experience, bring it with them throughout the rest of their adult life and never try anything new.
spk_1: 54:49
Yeah, and I can tell you now, like a court that, like my girlfriend, always says to me, is that hurt people hurt people. And if you're hurting from something that someone said to you a long time ago or if you know, like what you're saying in that example, you know, you're this little kid who had the dream of being the best painter in the world. And some teachers said that you're painting sucked. Well, then, every time you see someone else's painting, you're going to think it sucks, too, because you're associating that painting or that feeling of painting with hatred and disappointment and and jealousy and angle. So every time you see someone else doing it, you'd be like, Oh, I wish I could do that or I wish I was as good as that. But it's like Burt, you stopped this person didn't. That's why they're better than you like. That's just the reality of it, man. Don't stop. If you stop the rat race, man, everyone's after it. You want in eight billion? Is it now, like eight billion people anymore? It keeps growing man like every single day. There's a 12 year old out there going viral, you know what I mean? And they're people who like me like 26 like us, like hustle in the ass is off for the last 10 years, and some 12 year old gets viral like, you know, it's it's just gonna happen. You just have to. That's the society we live in.
spk_0: 56:00
And I think that's what happens when you trace what you love. Cause you know these kids to get famous on YouTube. There's this one channel. This kid just reviews toys for other kids and that the longer kid, I don't know one of them. Yeah, I think I know what you're talking about. The millions of views bodes reviewing toys. And I think if we reconnect with the, um, child likes, like
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the child, you know,
spk_0: 56:27
yeah, not the childish ways that real have child like mine that we all have, you know, deep down inside millions of kids, you know, just violence either and sharing happiness 100%. Imagine if adults acted like that
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when you look at kids in a playground don't like like, sounded a bit creepy. But when you see kids playing in a playground, when you see them playing in a playground, right, you notice when kids fall over or when someone's toy gets taken and they start to have a little bit of a cry, the other kids come and help the other kids, you know, say, Oh, I'm so we or they like, brush it off. They're brushing off really badly, but they brush off the sand. That's like scratch the kid. And that's how we were right. So what happened along the way? Something had changed us as we got older, right? And I think that's where humanity's problem it lives is that we stop the learning to take care of each other as all the courtesy. Other creators put other creatives down. Why, like I love collaborating like if I knew someone who made music and I was shooting music, I'd want to make music with the person who's good at music to make my music better. You know what I mean? Like you want to collab with people. And that's why I have so much more respect for collaborations when people join forces, because it's like you're taking fans of one group and fans of another group and you, you're putting them together, right? And it's just this huge ecosystem that you're you're forming. I think creatives forgotten to do that specifically, I don't know much about the corporate stuff, but, like creatively, I think people keep putting each other down and you guys got to stop. I gotta be gotta be proud of the accomplishments of what other people do. And if yours isn't as good where you feel disappointed or sad, that's not on them, bro. That's on you. That's on you to work on your craft. Hone that shit. Make it better that way. You have something to present when the Knights of the Round Table gather. You know what I mean? Like, don't just sit there and cry about it and be like mine wasn't good enough. It's like, No, it was good. It just days was better. So do you better work on it? You know, this is just a little lesson. So
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that's why I love getting people onto the show so I can hear their stories, man, and just the whole collaboration aspect off talking with people because who the hell wants to listen to my voice for an hour straight? I think everybody just having, you know, the collective mind and putting ideas out there into the world. Yeah, it's It's such an amazing thing. There's no man's an island boy. Yeah, exactly. And the whole being around like minded people and putting it all together and just out putting that vibe, you know, the average thing that you said yes. Imagine being in the group of five and the absolute, like just positive knots. Man, All that talk about dreams and being happy and goals and success. Well, it was like when we were in
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wife See, you remember, like whenever I went to a conference, I swear to God, I've never felt any happier than that, like that moment knowing that I'm with people who conserve God, you know what I mean? Like, I used to be very sort of not reserved, but, like I just never really was out spoken about it. Like if if you asked me if I was Christian or Catholic, I'd be like young Catholic like I believe in God is the man. But I'd never be like, you know what I mean. And like, I feel like when it's that vibe like goodness may like, imagine going to like a Satan nous like rally. You know what I mean? Like, that's the type of vibe they would be giving off. So it's like it's true. It's like the type of groups that you spend time with really benefit you in the long run. They really train you. It's like if you keep swimming in water, right? You only get better at swimming. You won't get better at running. You get better at swimming, right? But if you're on track and field every single day running for your life, then you'll be the best runner out there. And it's the same if you're surrounded by positivity nonstop. I mean, it's not every day you're gonna be positive, but at least 80% of your life if it's around positive people. And if people aren't positive, they may be having a bad day. But if they always negative just cutem out for, like, don't waste your time with people like that, I've had to cut out so many people in my life because one they've showed me who I really waas, which scared me. But at the same time, they also showed me who they were, and that scared me even more so. I had to just let it go over and then let's pick up the pieces a long ways.
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My previous Lewis Terrence, he sort of quoted Sir Richard Branson, the whole, like say yes, figure it out later, we just drop this shit and yet pick it up later Yeah, he's right. It would have hurt Thio. Cut these people out of your life. But at the same time, like not only would it benefit you, but also them in a way, Yeah.
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Oh, most definitely. Like, I think people forget that when they cut people out is that they think like it's just for them. But sometimes they're not brave enough or they're not strong enough for then they're not willing to make that cut. Sometimes people are just like, I know I'm too nice to just cut people out like it takes a lot to make me want to cut people out directly. Um, but I know sometimes people do it to me. They've cut me out to protect themselves, but it has benefited me. You know what I mean? So you're right, like it doesn't just benefit the person that's doing it. It benefits the person who maybe you didn't realize that they didn't really need to be around you. And it's not because maybe you guys weren't like you were bad people. It just means that maybe they're creative and you're not. So maybe that's not the type of people you need to be around
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me just to wrap things up or to the aspiring actor and actress, you know, that are just coming up through the ranks or, you know, just sort of toying with the idea of entering a career path like this. Looking back at your own life, men like, what advice would you give to the top of the old Reese?
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Don't let anyone put out your lights. As corny as that sounds, because I've when I look, I'm glad I made YouTube videos back in the day. And when I look at my 15 year old self making those videos, he was the happiest kid in the world, You know what I mean? And it makes me sad sometimes looking at it because I'm like, I'm not like that anymore. I'm not. I'm not this happy go lucky kid who just makes the dumbest videos and laughs at himself. You know what I mean? Um, and there are times where I want to look back and be that person. So I think the only thing that I could probably say to anyone who is on the same sort of journey as I'm on is that don't let anyone put that light out, no matter what goes on. It's like that charm. Handle your child Manders. Yet how he's like tail like. And if it goes out, he's gone. Be a charm and a burger like don't let the light go out like legit because
spk_0: 1:3:32
you left depends on exactly
spk_1: 1:3:33
your life to does. Your life depends on it because some people don't realize that. And And when talking about physical life, either spiritually, mentally, emotionally, that life will burn out and you become a different person because of it. So be a charm. And that's my advice. Don't let that light burn out on Ben when you find someone who supports you and lets that light burn become a fucking Tara's
spk_0: 1:3:55
lodge holistically. You know, you got to be a child, man. You gotta be. Don't be the
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I am a squirrel fan.
spk_0: 1:4:04
Oh, yeah, I'm a
spk_1: 1:4:06
lost toy sold away But I respect the respect of Tom and
spk_0: 1:4:11
I always picked squared it was over last ice is boss to Ken's on the back. Well, three. Now, if you get the mega as a luxury
spk_1: 1:4:20
yeah, If you get the mega evolution he has Oh, no, it becomes one cannon. Sorry. It just becomes one giant cannon
spk_0: 1:4:26
on the back. That's like something that isn't broken. That I think they just modified it. But none of it is. They are. They are recent Manila. Thank you so much for joining the only profession. Thank you, man. It's been a long time. I was waiting for this episode. So what happened? Yeah. You sure? You Thank you
spk_1: 1:4:48
so much for having me on. And I hope that whoever's out there listening got something out of it. I might have rambled a bit, but
spk_0: 1:4:54
you're definitely man like, because I see like the stats. Off, off, off, off The podcast people finish it. Okay, well, if they finish it, then, beach Armando, you cannot be the title of our make up our Be a charm And be a gentleman, My little man. Any time