In this episode I sit down with Alex Lam-Cheung, Head Chef and Donut Wizard. We talk about his meteoric rise from starting off as a junior cook in New Zealand, to becoming the head chef of one of the finest cafes in Melbourne, Australia, Oh Happy Day. We talk about how the current pandemic has affected his business, and how it turned into a blessing in disguise. It gave birth to an ‘essential service’, Crucial Dough [sorry, I misspoke when recording and said 'Crucial Donut' LOL!] where he’s now serving up a bit of happiness during this time of uncertainty.
Cheffing can be one of the most stressful careers out there, and we talk about how this took a toll on his mental health. We also discuss the “mental health pandemic”, and how important being at peace is to all around well-being. Connection, community and culture is how he took control of this part of his life.
Mental health. If you ever want someone to vent to or anything like that, hit me up. Let’s have a chat. Let’s all support each other through these trying times. Doesn’t even have to be during a trying time. If you’re listening to this and the world has gotten a bit better, please still feel free to reach out!
To support Te Passion Project please consider subscribing to us on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts or Youtube. You can find out more about the show on https://tepassionproject.com/
In this episode I sit down with Alex Lam-Cheung, Head Chef and Donut Wizard. We talk about his meteoric rise from starting off as a junior cook in New Zealand, to becoming the head chef of one of the finest cafes in Melbourne, Australia, Oh Happy Day. We talk about how the current pandemic has affected his business, and how it turned into a blessing in disguise. It gave birth to an ‘essential service’, Crucial Dough [sorry, I misspoke when recording and said 'Crucial Donut' LOL!] where he’s now serving up a bit of happiness during this time of uncertainty.
Cheffing can be one of the most stressful careers out there, and we talk about how this took a toll on his mental health. We also discuss the “mental health pandemic”, and how important being at peace is to all around well-being. Connection, community and culture is how he took control of this part of his life.
Mental health. If you ever want someone to vent to or anything like that, hit me up. Let’s have a chat. Let’s all support each other through these trying times. Doesn’t even have to be during a trying time. If you’re listening to this and the world has gotten a bit better, please still feel free to reach out!
To support Te Passion Project please consider subscribing to us on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts or Youtube. You can find out more about the show on https://tepassionproject.com/
Hezron: 0:00
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Alex: 1:48
so great, really Well, actually, because they're playing their little this free time now. So that's what I wanted hard. So I'm pretty happy. A.
Hezron: 2:04
A lot of us do have free time, but obviously a lot of the front liners and stuff like that who are literally risking their lives ensure there were safe there out there, you know, battling thiss war for us.
Alex: 2:16
Yeah, that's for sure. They got a big part of the job's crops to their man
Hezron: 2:22
again. Man. Walk into the show. Thank you so much for taking some time out of your data to join me.
Alex: 2:28
Thank you for having me, man. It's I'm so grateful. But straight up
Hezron: 2:32
it's my honour, bro. For those who are so familiar with who you are and what your storey is, give us a bit about that man.
Alex: 2:40
Cool. Well, I'm pretty plain Jane, man, to be honest, but my name is Alex Lam Chung, Um, someone Chinese going in Dunedin and the south of New Zealand. I grew up in Oakland. Pretty much my whole life. Man attended deal ourselves college. You know, the most humble, educated school in the world. You could go Teo on, young man. Pretty much started cooking for more trained professional chef. Being in the industry play years now and pretty much started. The Sooners are left college on DH. That's been my life till now.
Hezron: 3:15
Did you? So you're working now as a professional chef? Yeah. Did you know all throughout high school that that was what you wanted to do?
Alex: 3:27
Well, it was kind of on tricky man, because, like, I don't really know what I really wanted to do it, to be honest.
Hezron: 3:33
So, you know, just like in real life, man it throws you some shit, and things don't go the way that you expect, but way back on the ball man way. We're just talking about if being a professional chef was sort of what you wanted to do if you knew that was what you wanted to sort of do ever since you were younger, bro. So if you wantto
Alex: 4:02
Yeah, yeah, it was kind of a funny one for me. Really? Like when you get your last subject cuts that use four year 13. You know, everyone has their hard decisions like, Oh, we're going to go And I'm going to get your money, but what you need. But I kind of figured out, man, that unit wasn't for me, like, more like hands on dude and probably there anything they could come up with, like So I was getting cancelled from my parents like, especially my dad, trying to figure out one going to do next. It's like being a counter man will be I be in it, but a lot of it and anything. I knew what to do with the cook man. Drop out of wake. All of these classes or my subject like classes and I'm going to go do this like work experience class the next year and was funny one makers I had teachers like calling my parents by my dad like every day, like wondering why I chose to jump in this, like work experience cost. And he was cool, man, it was backing up. 100% is like, Well, it's not really up to him what he wants to do told him I wanted to be a chef and then just made the decision to go from there. And I would never look that
Hezron: 5:19
the rest is history.
Alex: 5:20
The rest is just history, man. That's what I'm doing now. So that's
Hezron: 5:25
cool. That's that's real cool, man. Because I remember when we first met, which was in Kiwi on Mitch on Mission Bay and on, And even then, you know, I had known that this was what you wanted to pursue. And I still remember when one they randomly But you just came in tow work with no your your bag of knives. And I was like, Damn, this guy is serious looking around you always. You always had that chopping up the fruit, the watermelons, pineapples and stuff like that.
Alex: 6:02
Gotta make a clean start labelling everything
Hezron: 6:04
fun times when exactly things a bit easier back then. Not mistress. Well, obviously, that was back in orphan boy. Where you based currently?
Alex: 6:17
Yeah, man. So I'm currently Melbourne number. So as soon as well, we're going to move over. Think about four years ago, moved to prison. I spent four years in Brisbane. That was awesome. And I was like a whole new whole new level, like a whole new lifestyle issue to do with cooking. Like, what's more international based? There's, like a lot of international people. So you get to experience like I never had Korean Fruit of my lifetime amounts a game changer for me because all only was Chinese chop some man chop suey, bro. That's, you know, tar in Yemen that really develop me like Brecht into a or actually was in a massive kitchen. 12 guys in there, four bodies on DH, 300 people a night. Man on that. That's like like when you have that feeling of being like, stressed out like imagine that times 10 and there is no way of getting out. But you just keep going. It was like that every day for two years.
Hezron: 7:25
So it is like Gordon Ramsay's Help Health Kitchen and then stuff like that. What we have, what we see is how how realise that environment,
Alex: 7:33
not the yelling and stuff, not the owing up had some. I mean, there's shifts out there, the old school guys. That's cool. You know, some people need it for the push, but we had some. I had a really good head chef Road. He was really common in there reading, bro. But it's just like if I can't explain it, you just have to be into them than a moment to understand that there is just no backing out like no one's going to help you get out. You know it is. You just gotta go. He's gotta go and that's it. Green light in there. If there's a red light, you goes on, you know,
Hezron: 8:04
it's sort of like a baptism by fire. In a way,
Alex: 8:08
that's it. That's it. Get blessed right from the beginning of your career.
Hezron: 8:12
Yeah, so that was in Brisbane. Obviously, at the moment you're in Melbourne and you're now the heads. What? Had it hard? He pronounces head Sando creator Sando.
Alex: 8:21
Yeah, I'm ahead. Sandy Crater, which is pretty nice. Sand lose less trailing with sandwiches, men. But
Hezron: 8:27
okay. Okay. Schiff. And this is for muscle joint called a happy days.
Alex: 8:35
That's Atlanta Hope.
Hezron: 8:37
Oh, happy day. Yeah,
Alex: 8:40
Yeah, that's a
Hezron: 8:42
happy day. How do you sort of land that big bro?
Alex: 8:45
It was actually pretty pretty random, bro, because I was in fine dining train. But I'll be fine dining since I started cooking. And this is a cafe like it's I mean, there's nothing wrong with that. I mean, food is all food is delicious on this, you know, Evans with the flavour type of way or whatever things they like to eat. So this is just a different game for me because I was working way too much Burke, like, 80 90 hours a week, like that's what its requirements were fine dining. Like an order for you to do precise and really refined stuff. It takes time, and you know that time takes away from other stuff like oppression or life started to affect me that way. Mentally physically, man, I was losing weight, you know, by the second. Yeah, and actually just decided, man teach us get up and make a change. And so I went into this cafe just randomly looking online and then found there applying and then shopping with Goldman, amazingly did memoranda. And you have been there, e think about yeah, they're nothing like five months now. We'll do, sir, while, man like we bought to find 90 techniques into cafe cooking. But we didn't make it like Tio Anke, you know, you're still really, really tasted taste just a little bit of it.
Hezron: 10:12
I think that's one of the union, not also go ahead, covered.
Alex: 10:17
Yeah, and then they had us and now are suspended sitting at home s
Hezron: 10:26
So you guys have five months ago that would have been around November that have been going like into the peak of summer for you guys as well, but and that would be we have been booming and assume
Alex: 10:38
their man like because it's a new development area and everything. I mean, the start was sick, like the first week is good. Secondly, you know, people started to find their feet around the place. Then it started taking off just cool. Like, really, it's communities that well, I mean, that's how a lot of small restaurants. That's how they survivors from my community support. So the more community based you are, the more foot traffic you'd care the longer you're pretty much
Hezron: 11:05
yeah, I think that's one of the beautiful things about Melbourne because, you know, you said it was a bit of a fusion between fine dining and cafe style food. Man, it's like one end of the spectrum to the other because I've been to a few cafes, man and the cabinet. Food is absolute shite
Alex: 11:23
naming the remains,
Hezron: 11:25
not it'll. How have you married the two men? So from the sort of fine dining experience, you know, you're sort of everyday cafe. How have you made it to kind of styles of food together brought
Alex: 11:40
it depends on the shift. And what sort of stole that they're My thing is like a nostalgic cooking. So I bring him back old school, infusing it with new modern techniques to bring it up a bit. So my one of my dishes we got is ah said dunking egg. You know, the classic banking egg is like a piece of toast. Like a soldier you drink into aboard egg. We've changed that awful. We've made this like smoked egg yolk gaol that you pipe on top of the pizza toast that's cut the same, and then we shave it tio with some smoked cheddar. Finish it off with some picture lattes, taste like a little mini cheeseburger, but still the same idea. And we still give you a little late to Don't get with. But like when you see it together with Like a baby orders that an adult like orders the senior, more modern version of it. It's just like a really cool like thing to watch is a chef like a man, like how much feared Khun Grow and how much it's growing? What is really cool, man, and I think it's a beautiful thing for me to see.
Hezron: 12:42
So where I heard you up to man was soft board eggs and you're dipping in the new, explaining how you solve how you sort of prepared at the friendly.
Alex: 12:56
Just modernise it a bit more So, like the classic if you get me on the last, but like there's a classic English that she could dunking eggs or eggs and soldiers or something like that, so you take take a piece of white bread and cut them into three pieces. Inborn egg for like 4.5 minutes. Thank you, egg. And it's like a really fun kind of people think so. We made a modern version of that. Will you take the egg and use like a more technical technique? More one of those typical technique to make like a gaol from it. And then you plant that on top of your initials and smoked cheddar and some pickled onion shall lots. So it's like a little mini cheeseburger like on toast, which is cool. But we still give it dunking egg. So when we try serve it in twos like a parent and like their child. So when I'm watching and I see I'm like, Man, this is sick, bro like you see how like food Khun grow. It's the same way how you see, like and a child like eat become like this new. You know what I mean? Like a tonne of experience for me. Yeah,
Hezron: 13:59
that's pretty cool, man.
Alex: 14:00
So we got there. We take like island flavours and modernise there because it's Pacific food is like, really, it's not plain, but It just doesn't have the techniques that a lot of cuisines of. And so we're bringing that to make it more lively, man like they're really surprised at what flavour you can get from Pacific food because it's no one really knows. But all they know is Tara, you know, like it's just a funny thing.
Hezron: 14:25
Pacific cuisine is it isn't as as mainstream as a Chinese food, French food, food or whatever
Alex: 14:36
Nam in number
Hezron: 14:39
as as a head chef. How much sort of freedom do you have to try and muck around with? New ideas Create new new styles off making Sandoz. How much freedom do you have, Teo? Literal creativity spread men.
Alex: 14:55
Man, I have been head chef figure full control, your food, everything. But you've got to be also smart because the game the money game side of things is really tight. You know, like if you're not costing properly if you are saying goodbye like $1000 with the troubles, are you going to give you 100 grammes? You use all of that. You might not make the money back, so you gotta be smartly you Khun, duel this fancy staff and cook great food. But if the businesses and making money, that's when you, you know, like that's what people I think don't really realise. When you become a head chef, it's that you cook less. You're not really in the kitchen. You come over manager, and it's like the rial blood side of being head chef. Yet the creativity you Khun, is there. You can have time to make all that stuff. But the reality is is that you're a manager, you know, And it's kind of and no one told me that shit. You know, I wish someone told me I was. Someone told me that books and what I've stepped into a head chef for all probably know, probably not because I love you, but but the creativity side of it and the people you get to me. I mean everything you do, your name is on it. My name is on that dish, so if anything goes wrong, it said me. You know it's a chef's reputation were at the end of the day. That's how you make it
Hezron: 16:25
with your name being, you know, funds and sensor of so many of your creations. There's two sides of the coin man. Like if something pops, innit? Bangs like bow like that could be the the catalyst for a new chapter in your life. Maybe, but I'm if it turns to shit, it could literally just turned to shit.
Alex: 16:45
Damn! And that's what it is. You know, there's a lot of risks, and it's funny because you can see everywhere else and cooking. I mean, so from fruit, like actually making your prep. If your prep is shit and results gonna be shit if you head chef of shit, the restaurant's gonna be shit, you know, it just it's a massive, like Lifecycle Onda kitchen of its own. But man like I take small ones. That's I think that's why it's kind of uncommon for a head chef to be a 25 men. That's just I mean, that's a message for me. And I put myself on the back for that, Yeah, you know, But I'm super grateful, but it's got nothing to do with me, really. I mean, I've done all the hard yards, but I mean, I've had heaps of people back me up. Here is the people who have got, like, still mentoring me, man which is cool because, like I'm cooking, you're always going to be a student of the game. The moment you start growing like stop growing is a moment, you know, put your career and go do something else.
Hezron: 17:43
I love that man. The fact that as head chef, you know, it's like you said, You are relatively young to be in a position like that and for some young dudes, some, you know, hot blooded young men. It's quite easy to let something like that get to the head and think, you know, fire out like under man. I'm young and have already made it to the top. But here you are, you know, humble enoughto be open to learning new things cause as a chef man that the game is constantly changing. Like you said,
Alex: 18:16
That's it. Men like every year, something else. And if you're not up to date with your no like like solid and urine foundations and what you want to be, you're going to get lost and, you know, it's just like it's funny because I heard this thing on a podcast. That life is like, you know, like trees and flowers. You know, you keep watering them to keep growing. Same with humans. Once we start learning to stop growing, we die. And you see it in Agenor when out early, get old and they stop doing stuff they love to do. The reality is that they start passing away, you know, And I don't want to be at their stage 25 1 And I'm like, I get shipment of metre. I haven't made shit until my team comes with me. That's when we made it.
Hezron: 19:04
That's beautiful, man. How many? How many other cooks do you have? Like under your wing? Broke
Alex: 19:10
under me? I got two more under moments. We've got, like, a little on the Apprentice and Bailey man, and she's a bit of a weapon, which was really cool. And then I got my sou ship. James and man, he's like, my if you're going to chew the sushi. If you choose this guy. Yeah, 100% anybody. And it's funny because we started cooking together same time, same year.
Hezron: 19:35
So James's so keep in touch you What way?
Alex: 19:43
20 because James is like we actually met at a random place. Burn scars, kitty, actually brief, applied to get into this apprenticeship programme there, and there's only like they only take 20 people but like thousands of thousands and thousands and Z one of his best friends. Because, yes, this has been moving together for 11. Yes, which is, Yeah, the Esther's best friend. And I was kind of scared, man, because I never I'm from the south side of welcome, bro. You know, I don't really hang around in this city. It's not my not my area. So when I got out there kind of difficult, you know, had to talk different, act different. But I hide that now who I am, and I'm happy with that. But we met there. I've got all the way to the end. And the funny thing is, the thing that can stop me from going there was these donuts. Eight years later, that's what's making me money. Money.
Hezron: 20:49
So you and your mate James, men, you've got this other little good going on crucial dough.
Alex: 20:55
Yeah, really crucial.
Hezron: 20:57
What's that? What's that about,
Alex: 21:00
man? All right. Here's a funny storey behind it. A proper for it's a pop with pop. A couple A couple years ago, yeah, it was fine dining that came up. That was cool. You know, we got him to jump on board there and then I got him to work for me. And so we're working. And in the week we find out they were goingto get suspended from work was on a Friday and we got told the news on Wednesday, like Iron Man, let's go outside. So we said that side and we're talking like what we're going to do. But I mean, we're gonna be out of work on Friday. We still have the paper in. We're not going to get any government help. So we've got no money coming through. So what we're going to do come out of the way? Just all problem cool would have been a settlement. Let's tell a doughnut, easy as poor part parade done. All right. Now we need a name, and I was just talking to my bro. Everyone's after essentials, you know, here and my album like There's a freakin tall of Babel. There's no flower. Everyone's running on sugar like essential items, but thank you anyways, so, like mints, we need something that's essential. Let's look a sentiments are essential. Looking up Bob, there's that are crucial. Done. Let's lock that in crucial. What? Always selling dough. Let's say this is Decrease your dough, Phil. On Friday, we launch way. Just set up the baseball play citizens. Teo. All right, we're selling doughnuts that this much less Probably. This is our storey with lost jobs when I'll go any government out and we still need to pay rent. And look, man, that week there were 50 orders. But, like straight off the bat, I don't know how. Like the news got around so quick. It was really interesting. And then I started popping off. More like we got this random message from the lady from the papers who wanted to write a storey on us. We like sweets. So we have a friend to be with him. We're rolling out there nothing stuff making bread or doing interview jumps in the paper and boom with double the phone only, like man, this is crazy and we meet another lady. Maintain copy. She's mobile Ban coffee in here, Melbourne. You can get coffee anywhere. Really? Because this dude on takeoff a lot of people in isolation. So what she does is go sit like there's a pre order and you Khun Order and she come to your house and drop it up to your front door.
Hezron: 23:30
That's a bit like the uber for coffee.
Alex: 23:32
Pretty much what this is like our own little business. It is good, Good copy on Let's I think, like, if coffee is massive coffee, Big copy scene. So, yeah, and she's like, All right, well, take some doughnuts for you guys. And I saw them all being well liked by a sweet That's that's going off. We can't keep up with the orders. And we're like, Man, you know what? This is so funny. Like super grateful. This is popular. Yeah, like who would have known Baking being a bacon? Being a ship is like two different different things. Two different different things. I mean, people think shifting. You have Teo understand or the cuisines, you know, almost present and understand all the sections. But not every chef is good. A TTE every little party, and it's very difficult. Only the top guys are really good at that. I mean, my specialty is in me. I'm really good with me and cooking on fire, but I'm not really strong with pastries, but my sushi office opposite route his we can meet but really good a pastry. So we're like All right, well, this is perfect. You take care of that. I know how to bake bread with Maya's clothes. Done. Listen, sto.
Hezron: 24:42
That's cool, man. How you sort of compliment each other, fill in the gaps of knowledge that the other person has.
Alex: 24:48
And that's what it's about, man. Like, That's how you build like a proper kitchen, Dean. Well, to me, it is like you can't have a 1001 team because where their strengths are, their weakness also lives that we cannot help. So it's always good to have a really good range of mix.
Hezron: 25:07
What a world that would have bean for you guys as kiwis in Australia with this whole situation going on. Obviously it wasn't, you know, Accused didn't get financial help from from the government. And so a little bit later on, So you went from a point off boy, we've got no money coming and we with stock conto shit some steps happening. And then all of a sudden you can't keep up with orders, bro. That's like I
Alex: 25:35
don't know, man like to be illness that comes down to like everything that's happened in our life, Lee from being Keeley's. Like I'm not saying we're the best people in the world. We still have a lot to learn. Both were pretty resilient kind of people, you know, my well warrior nation. And I think that's where that came from. For us is like All right, man. Well, we're not going to sit on us and cry. Even if the government's not gonna give us any help, we're going to do something. What we're gonna do, Let's just do it, you know? And that's the key. We think like every Kiwis like that. I got this idea. Kiwi ingenuity. That's it, man, for the boys
Hezron: 26:13
said they were Nation of our warriors were
Alex: 26:19
Oh, yeah, boy, that's it.
Hezron: 26:23
You've got, like to me anyway, bro. You've got a bit of an interesting, like, sort of mix of ethnic ethnicities. Where your summer. How How is that sort of influence Thie flavours in your cooking and stuff like that? Because Chinese food island food not too similar.
Alex: 26:41
Yeah. I mean, that's the funny thing. It's because so back in the gold rush in Siam or it was actually a lot of Chinese. They actually move over. Yes. That's how all that happened. Not quite sure. 100% with the storey. Well, that's how my grandparent's My great grandparents actually met. Yeah, they got married and all that, but to do with food. I mean, I'm super lock keeper like we were in the richest family. Why? We didn't get everything that a kid got. Like, I got my first PlayStation at 15. One. That's appears one by
Hezron: 27:16
one. And that would have been already with appears. Three was out of something
Alex: 27:19
like, Oh, man, this is dope, bro. This is cool. As you like. Yeah, we weren't rich in that sense, but we definitely Richard Friedman, like in the islands. I'm sure you're definitely number like people don't have money to get, you know, but they do have food, and they do have plantations and all that kind of stuff to give around. So I grew up eating really good food. A lot of people around us, like we used to go to church and people whose supreme like a play the fruit. So it was always something different, and I got to like, I look back at it now and I'm like, Man, that's where my based flavours came from. Like eating real random stuff like stuff I've never heard all before. You know, I come over here, people don't even know what Fi Zhou is in, you know? And that's not just force from trees and New Zealand kid. Yeah, that's really exotic over here, you know, like a Wolfie Jowers. Yeah, but you can't get in Australia. It's really hard to get. Really had
Hezron: 28:18
quite expensive over there.
Alex: 28:19
Pretty much, man. But there's only a season for it. But you know, like back home like you. If it's a season, it's on someone's treated in the next 30 years, seeking just across. So yeah, that's my flavours came from them from childhood. Just eating Brandon random stuff and plus migrants like they were really good cooks. Man, I gotta give it to them that they were really good books.
Hezron: 28:44
Parents usually Arman, like I remember this funny storey about fi Zhou was the fact that you said they just fall of trails for us in the in abundance in New Zealand. I'm back in high school. Boy would have been around year. Yes, seven or something by around 11 years old. Yeah, I'd catch the double. 07 In REM, you're to Goto San Helios, Where schools Good old Double seven On behind our bus stop. There was a massive fij oratory and there was there was too many features they literally sitting on the ground, just rotting because there's too many for for the homeowner to just harvest by. So what we did man Way would sort of play bowling by with the Fiji. Or so we'd like out into the road hoping that cars of confidence, it's just one of those things men, which is kind of it really does put it, put it into perspective. Like in one country. Fi Joes are such a luxury item in terms of cuisine, but in here we are just chucking them onto the road, brought
Alex: 29:55
Then, let's say and then I mean but you didn't know any better. I don't know any, But then, you know, we just, like go. This is fun. As you know, let's just have a good time
Hezron: 30:06
in terms of like exotic ingredients for like they're always like these based sort of foundational food items that we that we have those you know, your beefs, your lambs, your taters, rice and all that sort of stuff. Man, are there any ingredients that, like, aren't Cockney using the mainstream that you're like experimenting with that? A We sort of implement into your recipes, as you know, your secret weapon.
Alex: 30:33
Man, I've got some secret stuff I
Hezron: 30:35
don't want you to like, you know, put it out there. That part. Still be
Alex: 30:39
Oh, like food should be shared like Eric and form A. If I was to hold any recipe or be guilty ofthe not, like, actually tryingto improve hospitality, it'll be keeping secrets, which I mean doesn't be, you know, like keeping secrets doesn't benefit anyone. So why would I do the same with my recipes, you know? So that's where I met with that secrets. Yeah, man, I got a few like butts more to do with my New Zealand kind of style. So you know how hyung isn't everything like hyung is the ship, like in every every Cuban knows that, that's for sure. But how do you get their flavour? That's a secret. So if you could figure out some way of you using, like harnessing that flavour and adding it into anything. That's where your secret like That's where the superior to flavours like it's served like people don't understand how crazy that method is like you can steam you, Khun, bake you Khun smoke and you can roast in the ground. You know, like
Hezron: 31:46
who would have thought?
Alex: 31:47
Who would have thought that? Matt? And when I look back at it, I like to duel those techniques. That's crazy. That's crazy
Hezron: 31:53
for for people who don't know what Hyung years well, could you quickly break that down for us?
Alex: 32:00
So honey is a traditional MODY, which is the people of New Zealand's way of cooking is what you do is you dig a hole in the ground and you build like a massive fire with rocks on it. And so those rocks at there's like a heating element. And so when that fire dies down and those rocks are super heart, you put food on top and then you bury it. Popular lady take it out and has this amazing forever. Men and all the foods cooked meats cooked and yeah, I mean the really, really skillful morning ones are the ones that can make it perfect. And then you've got guys like me were like I should've burnt the fucking pork you.
Hezron: 32:39
There's a lot of patients required in in that method of cooking, Man. Like you said, it took takes hours, man. And in a world we're so used Teo Speed and Convenience, Microwaves, Dr Dues for fast food and stuff like that. How important do you think it is to just be patient with what you're doing? Not just with cooking, but you know, in terms of your goals, like like you're young as a head chef by Like I said, it took a massive amount of years for you to get there. So you know, it's all a long game brought.
Alex: 33:18
It always is. I don't know he says it, but I think it's Bill Gates or something. And he talks about, like whatever go is sure would not be attainable. I mean attainable. It's like you won't be able to last because you're not sitting in that space of like, conscious, growing and understanding stuff that it's like working out of myself. I think it's the best way to put it back to you. train and you train You left waiting like I call my biceps getting bigger, but it's getting bigger because of the training. It doesn't just you don't just fucking start 20 Roisin your arm and then pops up. It's the same thing with cooking, man. Like, you know, if you're not willing to put in that training and there's always going to be training for you Well, for the rest of your life, you're never going to get to what you wanted to be like. I could say yes, I want to. Garbage muscles. Great. I'm gonna put into training to get 12 inch month. Same with cooking. I want to be a chip. Great. When we need you to get there, do all the work and you're there. And you're like, Okay, what's next? Really depends on who you are and what you want to do. What more is you have, man? Because I mean, food is the universal like language. You know what? Everyone understands it. It's pretty there. Anything that people understand altogether. If we get that mixed up and confused and we start putting random shit politics in there, then it becomes about something else. Then about the food and the people.
Hezron: 34:44
It's amazing how you know, you go to a restaurant. He tried different cuisines. How can actually transport you? Teo Teo, that part of the world I've never bean to the Mediterranean, but like I love Mediterranean food. So I know whenever I go over there like I don't have a damn good time, bro.
Alex: 35:03
And was so funny, man. Because a couple of years ago, I specialist and Moroccan cuisine and I've never been a market. But I trained the American ship. You know, like and those crazy for me. I'm like a sweet e can ride a camel. Can I e
Hezron: 35:24
o Hi. Camera home. I know. I want to exploit a mind. Love it, man. At the very beginning by you were sort of painting a picture for us in terms ofthe how stressful the sort of environment could be. You know, you had two years of it and, you know, you said fire, and I just I just need a break from this. Yeah, with the stresses of work for like, for example, for me, man, if I'm stressed, stressed out at work, I just want to go home lounge around, put my feet up and just chill. I have put myself a meal and you know, it just it kicked back. But for you, man, like with cooking being one of the reasons for your stress by like, how do you separate yourself from the cooking that you do it work versus you know, the personal cooking that you do for home. Because if your stress and you're hungry, you're cooking well. Does it not remind you off what stressed me out in the first place?
Alex: 36:30
General. Super funny is that when I was a junior, I hated cooking like home. I hated it like I did not want to touch anything. And when someone asked me to make them something it would really like Find me up and it's a stress the shit out of me. But now that I'm old, I'm like, you know what, man like like it's kind of a difficult one. Go Teo like I can cook at home. I'm happy we're happy to cook a home that I am cooking in a restaurant, that's for sure, I think, because creating my family and having a good meal together, it's just that it's a really awesome sense of feeling, brother, when you also together and you have, like a meal together. But when you're at a restaurant you're cooking for someone else have that experience and you're always hoping and you're praying like I shit, please enjoy the meal because my happiness is sitting in your hands, which is kind of fucked up. You know how weird that sounds like. And I didn't like that. Like, I really didn't like that feeling off. My happiness was sitting in someone else's hands waiting for review to tell me that the fruit of five stars, you know, and especially when you're on the line and you're the guy that's cooking in the head Chef is in control. That's down to you, man, like I'm the one that's cooking your steak, that you're going to write a real about, that the whole restaurant is going to get a review about. And if I would, I give you shit the whole restaurant force because of me. That's a lot of pressure on its own. As a junior Put, there was a shift, the party or whatever ranking you are, man, when I get home like now, because I'm not in that game anymore. I love it, but I like cooking. And it's like I think back to all the day's my ranch is a cook. And, like just cooking Rice man like that's so difficult for me about like this. So difficult, like always trying Teo but like that's still pretty hard. E. I don't know how the Indians get that perfect like that's in the bluesman and the police have got a perfect right Stewed butt dumped in the park, measure at the finger, booming You're in. You know
Hezron: 38:44
how hard was it for youto separate, you know, to separate the mindset. Okay, work's done. I'm now at home. You know, it's time to chill back when you were a junior ship. Obviously, now it's ah little bit easier for you, Teo. Just be a piece. But back then, but not to the best of your recollection. Like, how did you just deal with
Alex: 39:06
it? You couldn't do. I kept working. Keep working like it was literally This's how messed up my wife was. Almost think cooking is a bad thing. There's really upto the person how they want to spend their life where they want to get it. So for me to look like this so I would wake up. It's five o'clock. Jump. Give it a good catch. The train. The 6 30 to start. Work ahead and everyone's still sleeping. Some like Okay, cool. I get home. Everyone's still sleeping when I get home like her, until cock get four hours of sleep for three hours, you see, Wake up. Do that again. Radio is weak. An imam's like on the train, sleeping like an idiot. You know, like half dressed with all my life. Work is getting toe work to just get them push on. But men like I don't know how much adrenaline or DMZ runs through your body when you're cooking, but that's what called me through it like endless amount of red booms, really unhealthy lifestyle. I just did it. And that's not man. I think me looking at it now that's not fucking positive thing at all. I mean, that's not even something that's just celebrating, because what I lost out of it was the time I got to spend with my family. And that's a big thing for me now. You know, even just my boys. I couldn't even spend time with my boys. And my boys are around the world now and last and what they're up to in the like I'm in Spain like shit. Man, can you believe that? I haven't heard from me for two years. The museum and I've been in Spain for two years and like, flag wherever I beg, you know, I couldn't mend. The truth is, I couldn't until one day I was just, like, so broken bow like, sir broken from work and realised Like fact, You know, my life is just so fucked up like all I do is cook like this and where life is for me. And like all of our cooking, um, I questioned myself. My question. Listen, Christian terrific. Took them equipment. Job was off. Eight. We've certain meditation for every day of those eight weeks trying to figure myself bound, find myself. I've got their man, and I'm here talking You having great time Slow down. Well, it's sad. Only the Ingrams like memories. Happiest. I've been in eight years.
Hezron: 41:24
Sometimes you do. You need to get to the point where you know you're so broken and you're so like down in the bumps before you can enter some sort of metamorphosis and just become great again. It Z. It's really tough, man. Especially with you could say, there's a There's a mental health pandemic as well. That's ravaging people around the world, especially in New Zealand, Man. I mean, you and I were not there at the moment, but we grew up with all these statistics about how in New Zealand, you know, we had the highest rates off youth suicide around the world, bro.
Alex: 42:10
And that's crazy. We're just a little nation, you know,
Hezron: 42:13
exactly. But we're a little country in the bottom corner of the world, off foreign, half 1,000,000 people. And we've got the highest rates off youth suicide in the world. I
Alex: 42:23
am. And that's crazy, bro. I mean I mean, that's not even crazy. That's just like sickening. Just like a shit feeling, you know,
Hezron: 42:33
sickening is the right word, man like you know what's so proud to be keys, man. Like they I saw everyone here, bro. Yeah, I'ma keep me, man. I'm
Alex: 42:43
keeping forever.
Hezron: 42:45
But you know, it's I have something like that just looming, which is why I like you said, but it's always good to keep in such of the boys in Spain even though the conversations are few and far between. Yeah, Got to cheque up on the boy's bro.
Alex: 43:04
That's it, man. Like even hearing from you, bro, You know you're in Philippines. I consider you definitely a brother to me, man. I couldn't even give you a call And it's like it took me this long to get to you Like I mean I don't know what would have happened to you I'm just lucky You're pretty good. This podcast in they can catch up
Hezron: 43:23
with You also wanna apologise Human Like Tze also failing on my part by only time we have a sort of were in contact with each other Work for the Hadi who sometimes Yeah, that
Alex: 43:46
e another time
Hezron: 43:49
It was a message but way we'll save that for another episode. I don't know how to Segway into it. By what? Amend? I'm curious. No What? What? That is about How How does that help to you in your journey as a human being?
Alex: 44:20
Yeah. So member that became like a people change and how action the I realise that my happiness is sitting in other people's hands in a mend mend really is unopened space, right and open, private, not private. It's open space, but it's a very secure man where people, people, I mean men and women and Children and all that can come in and become one ruble. Talk about mental health problems, or how Teo grow self awareness and all this stuff that people don't really realise that they need in their life to bring up. So for me, it was like being a chef. I don't really talk about my problems, man, like, I don't want people knowing about it, you know? Then, like what kept it to myself? How the more I kept things to myself, actually was hurting me. I didn't like being a man like yourself. Being a man isn't like this, you know. It's like this open hand. The more close first we are, the harder it is for us. To even like we need. Help is wrong, you know, And we think that form a working. I had got this idea when I was young that if you weren't really hard, and if you make a little money that we'll give you the best life and I went and done that and did it for dinner mentally, Australian bro and I didn't realise I was struggling. That's the most like, scary part about. Nor until I went on on a walk with the men. Cement is like a It's just this really private placement for people to come become vulnerable group. But we open up a lot of activities. WeII. We take people on hikes. And I think early this year Grant, January or February, we took a group of 50 men Houthi men, into the wilderness for and broke them down and really opened up space for them to become Ronon born. I mean, we had some really deep stuff and some really private stuff, and I'm probably not going to share because that's not my space. But I mean, it's It was a beautiful girl like you have to be there to experience it and like from me being some on Chinese, like all these new tools that were given to help make your life better, like meditation. Oh my God, don't Meditation was like this wacky thing that people do, you know, doing arms and know this stuff, you know, and it's because I didn't understand. And that's what the man does I have to give you. Give yourself awareness of understanding for life in general, you know, and where do you want to be? And how do you want to be happy? Like being happy is great thing. But where you giving your power of happiness too for me was giving it to customers on waiting on them to decide if I'm going to be happy?
Hezron: 47:24
I love that man. When I was having a look at what what the amendment does buy, what I really liked was that hiking aspect that you said that that you mentioned earlier the what they call it the experiential walk that Z How I think that's what's beautiful about going on these hikes, man. It physically separates you from fromthe city from all these stresses that their work, like gives you sometimes even you know, the home is a source of stress. You know the home should be the beacon of peace. But sometimes the home situation isn't as ideal as one would like it to be. The's hikes man. How many of these have you gone on, Bo? And how they benefited you, bro?
Alex: 48:13
man that I've been on one personal one myself. And then I've taken, like, become a leader and taken another group. So we don't do them every minute, all across Australia and New Zealand. And so I mean, they have a lot of spaces, like I just looked out the with another group of brothers, but eight of us think of a way. We just run him out only so we just take a moment only. Yeah, we're alike. It's really that's a basic off it, like just That's not even the foundations. But there's like the basic understanding of what meant this, and it's different for everybody in Erica's, everyone's at a different place and a different part that life. If you wanna gain self awareness, we want your weapon, you wouldn't be better. I mean, there's a lot of things that are troubling you, too. It's a perfect place to be men, you know, especially now. This is the trickiest thing about codeword. 19. When it happened, I wasn't stressed out like I honestly wasn't. I was in like this. Peace will base. I've been in a long time. Then I was able to make decisions on then For some reason I'm doing better than what I've ever could be doing. And it comes on too strong down there like slowing down. I mean, we're always on the road mountains always on around people was on the run trying to do this, do that. They want something instant. Think they get it Now You can get things instant. You have to slow down and actually realise I shit actually about building Connexion. We're in a community and building culture. That's it comes undo. Sue thinks that's what amend is about
Hezron: 49:49
Connexion community culture by love
Alex: 49:52
That's it, Nets. That's all you need are over If you have no understanding that's all you need
Hezron: 49:59
as men. But like sometimes I can't speak obviously can't speak for men at large But for me anyway I'm sure you can relate it Sze broken hearts be vulnerable when e a guy who you know I wore my heart on my sleeve and I'm not ashamed Do people always know what I'm up Tio? I'm not introverted at all. I'm humbled. People should know that about me. E why do you think we have so much trouble opening up, bro?
Alex: 50:41
Well, man, I think I mean what I've seen, Ruminant. It's a lot of things, but in vitro hood trauma, you know, when you're a kid, you may have been told like, Hey, if you open your mouth, I'm going to bash you then that stuck with him forever. You know, in this we should be in Kiwis. That's war like a warrior nation. That's a big thing about it, especially in the Pacific culture as well. You know, you do not want to get a lining when you're a kid.
Hezron: 51:11
How do
Alex: 51:12
you know? And you're so scared from it that that actually buried some trauma, the yield buried inside of you that you don't even realise and so well. But we give you tools open and our would be like, You know what? That's one tuck. Another part could be that we don't like talking. We're just not good talkers. I mean, for me, it was really hard to be a talk like it could not explain myself because usually it shut down all the time because I'd be like, Oh, you know, that's not the right words. That's what we're using. And that's got me trying to talk out because some three told me like your words that you're using are not the right words and made me feel super shit, you know? And once you have that feeling of emotion connected to that, you're stuck. And I think that's a lot of men like that. It's really difficult way. Say we trust what we don't It's another big one we say we trust. But do we actually do it? And if we do do it and we do say how how you and it shows up everywhere in your life, You know every little thing you do for me. It's like I'm anti work hard, right? They seize this winds up. I love working where? So we're tired here when I'm being sports. Like working harder sports where someone working hard? Ah, no sample like, yeah, let's just use those two, for example. And then I look about their weaknesses, and I'm like, Okay, well, no, we really should talk. Er, look, where else does that show up or what? My relationship? Because I don't really like talking. I mean, our super happy. But that was part of one big thing. Like I wasn't good at all. Do I bring my friends up and talk to them. No, because I'm like, scarred from this time that some do told me that I can't talk. So I fixed it well, become one ball and it's hard because we don't consciously see that it's just something buried inside that we have to somehow to go by talking. That's how you bring it up.
Hezron: 53:25
Sometimes it's difficult, almost impossible toe sort of escape the echo chamber off the bullshit that has Bean said in our past or the pain or the hurt or the brewing in this. But you know, sometimes those are the experiences that sort of form union Tio, you know, the way that we are today, obviously with the hurt that you experience that if that hadn't happened, knows how your path would have ended up, you could have become. You may have become that exact same person who was that source of hurt. You could be in that today, Teo. Another person,
Alex: 54:06
Exactly. That man, that's what it becomes like a little carrier
Hezron: 54:12
is a man sort of like one of the tall sort of allows people to sort of break that cycle, you know? All right, the shit's going to stop with me, and it's not going to propagate to the next generation.
Alex: 54:26
You know the funny thing about it. Everyone wants this quick instant one to dream. It'd where it's like, Okay, here's five steps, Teo making a $1,000,000. Here's the five steps to making you happy in this life. Yeah, that's all great and shit. But you don't choose yourself. That's where the difficult part becomes. So we give them the tools, right? Well, that Coleman this what can help you? This can help you. But if you do not choose yourself, you do not choose to do it. You will not get it. It's just a guarantee. And that's the hardest. Problem is, people don't think they're worthy enough to take that decision. Everyone is really of what? Everything. Whatever the fuck they want, they're worthy to have it. But someone in their life they become told they're not because they're not good enough. No, I can say to you, I mean, you're going to be the number one fucking podcast of the year 2020. If you do not believe in yourself and believe that you can choose to do that and do all the work you will get there you want to get unless she trees yourself. And so we always say All right, Tris, yourself first. Before you can get. So in order for you to give you can't get what you can't have. So you give to yourself first in the morning. So I have this morning routine, man, when I get up at five o'clock meditating, kept to myself first before I can get anybody else That way I'm grounded, always grounded, and my mind is ready to go 100% banging Then I'm like, Okay, sweet man. Then when taken rock and roll and I can give to anybody else
Hezron: 56:00
That's so beautiful, man. Yeah. Great for you. Yes, it's so beautiful by because what you said about working on yourself first, before you can give yourself to anyone else. Because if you're broken yourself and you know that's the version of you that you're offering to other people, they're going to see that. And you know who that may end up breaking them? A cz well, but it's like and the aeroplanes by when they are giving us the briefing offthe e the oxygen masks you wantto put it on yourself first before you help anyone else? Because if you focus on putting the mask on someone else first and that split second of time that passes between you putting it on, you know you yourself could have become incapacitated. And who knows what would have happened to you? Exactly. And that doesn't help anyone almost sounds agreed to a point where you have to look after yourself first, but that also is an exercise of humility in itself, because it's quite easy, Tio neglect your own well being and your own health for the sake of other people.
Alex: 57:10
And that's exactly it, man, that's exactly on DH. That's one thing that's hard for a lot of people, even including myself in ours, especially being a chef head chef. I cannot teach my younger cooks the shit. I do not know myself. It's just impossible. His one. I'll be lying to them, too. I set them up for failure in three. They come back to me and they blame me for their career not taking off their way. They wanted it because I did not provide the tools. This is accented with them and we provide the tools, but you're not. Choose yourself well, that's a team. I mean, there's not going to affect me as much allowed a lot, but it's not going to affect me because I choose not to let that effective. Like a lot of people like, Well, people love giving negativity. But if you do not accept that, that's great. That's not on you. It's once I choose to accept that ship. That's when I get hurt. That's when I put myself in their shoes.
Hezron: 58:10
It's very easy to sort of blame your inadequacies on someone else, but sure, as as valid as it may be that they may will indeed be the reason of your inadequacy. But more often than not, you can't control this other person. You can't control these external factors that are happening in your life. Well, the easiest thing to control is what's happening in here. What's happening, something to control what's happening here is real tough, but you do have control over it. It's just ah zah matter Off exercise in fortitude,
Alex: 58:47
having self awareness. That's all you need meant that will open up a lot of shit. Cousin You Khun See it? You catch it and you can flick it off. It's good, you can catch it and you can take it. But you can't see that you don't have unless you have their cell phone,
Hezron: 59:02
the process off looking within and trying to become self aware brought. Where do you find the balance between? How did you find the balance between being a point of being selfish and greedy, where you're spending that amount of time for yourself between Fort actually benefiting the people around you? How do you find that balance, bro?
Alex: 59:26
Man from it, it's still a thing. Now you know, it's still a finding ground that I'm in now, but for me it's like looks like this that I know everyone is asleep until like so, if I confined myself time before eight of clubs before your brother wakes up, that's my time. That's called is perfect. Then I can give you that. And that comes on to me, choosing me as well. You know, I'm still trying to figure that out, too. When can I do training? When I'm not. When I'm hardly home. I still wanted to do a workout or something, but if you're going to pick first time playing board games, so I know it's a boring thing. But to me, that's like really cool, because any time we get together or am I going to go in train and be a selfish suit? I mean it really comes down. Satellite communication. There's a big thing like letting everybody know what they're like. Europe Teo. Then I'm working on that, and that way they become understanding about your You know, people would never doubt you if you're going to keep. If you're looking to group, then they were going to stop you. If they get it like I pull, man, this guy's rugby is a big thing in these Dillon, you know? All right, bro. This guy's going to make a little box. He's got a train there enforcing a drink coop. 100% on board of this goes in. It's the same thing with your life. If you let them know what you want to get and why you're doing it, people become understanding of it.
Hezron: 1:0:52
The whole communication thing is something that I'm still tryingto practise, because if you you know, if you're communicating for the sake of just interacting with someone that could, in a way, be detrimental, for example, for me when whenever I reach out to the boys and whenever they reach out to me quite often, it's just because we're bored and there's nothing else to do. There's no one else to talk to you. So what do you do? You share a bullshit. Mean share, stupid video, whatever. Cool. Like it's good in the short term, but like in terms of long longevity off man like I've tried to work on being intentional with the way that I reach out to people in the conversations that I'm having bow because if all your talking is means you're talking just trash every time that we like to make your brain mush, bro.
Alex: 1:1:48
I mean, yeah, that's beautiful reaction. That's really cool, because how you do anything, it's how you do everything that's an amends, e anything. And if it's not you, then who, if it's not now and then went on and it's cool, man, you except you said it exactly like it's intentional. Everything must be intentional. Why do you do it? Okay, so what's the gain from it? Oh, this. Okay, So do we really want to gain that. Not really cool. Well, then change your moment. Get out of there. I mean, it sounds super harsh. Reality is that that's going to affect you and that you want to become that that's called on you. And that's for a lot of people. They just threw shit for the fun of it. You know, nothing's really intentional. I think being at this age now 25 head Chef, my life is intention, you know, because I can see that. Probably like, you know, we would have just said yes. And I would have been done a different part. And that's where the beauty is. Minutes later, I'm telling him in a self awareness thing, it sze crazy that comes out to men and all the boys and all the woman on the mend. And even Esther, she has been one of fucking greatest teacher liked. When she holds up a mirror and shit, I dont like That's a growing stage for me. Whereas is that show same cooking? People pick up stuff like that and this is a ship that can make it better inside. You feel like shit. You do well like Okay, well, I got to make it better for the same point. Something yes, it is that the heads and I love it like in a head to me. Hard fighting gets me sore. Well, I know that I'm going to be better from
Hezron: 1:3:39
trucks were worried before that. That cut.
Alex: 1:3:46
I think I
Hezron: 1:3:48
don't even intentional. It's
Alex: 1:3:51
going to intentional.
Hezron: 1:3:53
Yeah, it sze quite. It's quite funny how how, when your soap in the moment and then like one little thing like distract you and throw you off and then you come away for a couple of minutes and then you come back to work and it's completely gone. It's It's quite funny how the brain works, or like, the amount of attention that I were giving this, and then all of a sudden, I completely remember what the hell we were talking about.
Alex: 1:4:21
I'm like that.
Hezron: 1:4:22
Maybe, just maybe, I've just got to shit memory.
Alex: 1:4:28
Get going.
Hezron: 1:4:33
What a novel like it's It's just buzzy a man. If people wanted to get involved with amend, how how would we get in touch, bro?
Alex: 1:4:47
Yeah, man. So we're open on social media platforms at a mend mend movement on Facebook and just amending AM Inn D am indeed on instagram or you can jump in the website, man, which is, I mean movement. Think Yeah, we're with the men's movement dot com. I think so. You can jump on there, man. It is lots of beautiful things you can do. I mean, you can apply for workshops, rhetoric, shops, walks, I mean, or that's on hold for now. But there is a programme that we've got going on. Now what? Every Sunday, let's put our 60 year 60 and that's all know, Mr Graham, we have won one live speaker who talked about something that people would need in this time. So it's early morning thing is to jump on there. You got a sign up there? You gotta something. A website. That's how that works. Yeah, there's lots of other things. That man is here to stuff, So I mean, it would just go on, jump on and look around. It's a really powerful shit.
Hezron: 1:5:53
So I checked out that information into the show. No, it's where anyone who's interested in looking that up and in terms ofthe happy excuse me in terms of oh, happy day. When whenever the quarantine is lifted, man. We're working. We come and find you.
Alex: 1:6:09
Yeah, so you can look it up on Facebook. Oh, Happy Day, Cafe. Pretty cool sign. It's pink. You will notice it straight away, man. That's the most happiest. I never That eyes the ground, then. Yeah, man. That's probably to John. At the moment, we have a cafe for cooking.
Hezron: 1:6:36
I again just want to thank you for your time. Like this has been a very fruitful conversation, I think, and hopefully wants. This situation is sort of improved a bit. You know, I'll get my bottom album
Alex: 1:6:55
like I'm super grateful men be like, straight up. It's pretty ballsy to actually get on. Do something like this on credit to you for my think people were having me on.
Hezron: 1:7:09
Thank you. Some science planes that some people. Yeah, well, you know, this is your captain speaking and become a reality. One day it'll happen. That's it. It'll happen. But that's it. Thanks so much. Thank you.